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As i see it, all the US patent system is invalid with this kind of revelation. They can not claim any original idea any more, because of spying

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Has there been a single report, story, or even rumor that the United States has ever used the NSA to assist american corporations in developing inventions?

Nothing in any of the snowden reports even hints at this - so I think your comment that "no patents have original ideas any more because of spying" is a little out there.

They do have plans for it https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/09/05/us-governments...

GP's comment is still far fetched. But US does indeed contemplate on starting economic espionage if they ever lose their tech lead.

As the link shows, its from 2009. Also as an example, its proven that the Canadian spied on Brazil for trade secrets. If Canadians do, for sure the principal do it also. And because the law in US forces you to obey secret courts with secret orders, you are never sure about the truth nor trust any claim from a US citizen/corporation.

The NSA allegedly stole Windturbine tech from a German Firm called Enercon GmbH and gave it to GE.

Article in German: http://www.zeit.de/1998/39/199839.c_krypto_.xml

Don't be ridiculous. An idea is original if there's no prior art. If there's no prior art, spying on other people doesn't magically cause prior art to spring into being.

If its developed as a secret, you will never prove prior art.

I agree but it's not totally ridiculous, because prior art has to be published or at least known about. So if a technology was worked in a secret laboratory which was stolen, there was no prior art as all the thieves would say was "we've been working on this for years also, and released it before you".

"And pretty soon My name in Dnepropetrovsk is cursed, When he finds out I published first!"

Ever since I meet this man, my life is not the same.

So in your world, the NSA shares all the secrets it finds with random patent thieves?

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