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This isn't relevant to users, it's relevant to developers. Getting rid of X11 is important, and if you don't know why it's not relevant to you.

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It's a big mistake to think that way. If you can't come up with a compelling reason for users to upgrade, it's a lot harder to get the install base large enough where developers can confidently switch over.

Users will switch over when their distro starts using it by default, the same as they would for a new version of the kernel , a new init system or any other lower level software.

The fact is that the design of X is archaic and not well designed for the needs of the modern era. The benefit to end users is that rich multimedia software becomes much easier to develop for Linux so they get more of it.

Wayland's design as such is that every window manager implements their own compositor. Your regularly scheduled updates will get you on board, though I assume it'll be in compatibility mode with XWayland for quite some time.

> If you can't come up with a compelling reason for users to upgrade

I'd like to use keycodes > 255 please.

>This isn't relevant to users

Wayland has crippled customizability compared to X11. This customization is much more important to the user because, as you said, the improvements of Wayland are not relevant to the user.

Crippled at the moment (because Weston is the only option) or crippled by design?

Crippled because it doesn't specify a uniform interface for elementary things such a changing the keyboard layout or mouse settings.

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