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Comment by rlvesco7 | Hacker News Reader

It's ironic that the outrage came from Reddit because that site was built on lying to people (in the beginning)

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-reddit-got-huge-tons-of...

Now that they have solved the chicken-and-the-egg problem, they're legit.

Point being, lot's of startups over-promise (and exaggerate) in the beginning. It takes time fix bugs and find things. If you waited for a perfect product and were 110% honest you would likely not get any traction.

That's not to say that this guy shouldn't be penalized for lying about where he sourced his products though!

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I certainly agree that startups over-promise in the beginning, but they need to be very explicit and very clear as far as human safety is concerned. I work (up until the end of the day today) for a medical startup. We speak highly of our own product, but we make it unambiguously, blatantly clear that our product is NOT an emergency feedback system. If we lie and say we're a system like that, people could get killed. In this case, the publishers lied critically about the source of the parts and the system that was running on top. While perhaps not as immediately and spectacularly fatal as a medical device malfunction, if journalists or revolutionaries are using the product and there's a backdoor, there will be lives lost. They were NOT clear that the hardware they were using was actually a Chinese manufactured product from a Chinese design company. When it comes to surveillance, the Chinese government doesn't have a great reputation. There's plenty of reason to believe the device may have a hardware backdoor, as has happened before. Second, the software installed on the device is itself highly insecure. The original Reddit post pointed out that the device had a web-exposed remote administration panel open with the default username and password.

The only thing worse than no security is the illusion of security. This product, as sold, provided just that -- a minimal but ultimately illusory security.

I think you make a good point. It's a security product that can harm people's lives. So in that way, it's different then lots of other startups.

Exaggeration is a very different thing from pretending you designed an off-the-shelf product.

Exaggeration is normal. Nobody expects an entrepreneur to be objective and unbiased.

It's Kickstarter. They don't even need to pretend to be finished.

But if they are only providing software glue, why pretend at custom hardware?

It makes them look like less of a middleman, which is a confidence trick, and leaves a bad taste in people's mouths, much more than exaggeration does.

So reddit employees having multiple accounts? Closer to exaggeration, and something that had a legitimate purpose to it: helping conversations happen. This has only illegitimate purpose.

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