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Comment by stcredzero | Hacker News Reader

The most important thing I know about coffee: most of what you buy in stores is stale. Even vacuum-sealed roasted whole beans are a compromise, expiration date notwithstanding. Buy roasted whole beans at a place that roasts every week, and posts the roast date on the bin. Never mind stuff being from Ethiopia, Costa Rica, Kona, &c. It's most important to get the degree of roast you like, as recently as possible.

I go to the Allegro Roasters counter at Whole Foods each week and buy a medium roast from that day, or the day before. I have a cheap grinder at home, and I just use cheap #2 cone filters in a cheap single-cup cone brewer. I emphasize that those last 3 items are cheap. You don't need a fancy-schmancy grinder. You get a huge bang for the buck just by using beans roasted in the past 2 weeks. The other thing: make sure your water is the right temperature. (190 to 195 degrees seems to work for me.) Just borrow a candy thermometer, always use the same amount of water, the same pot, and figure out how long to wait to let the water cool to the right temp.

I have wowed friends with my coffee. Not rocket science. It's just brewed at the right temp, and it's fresh!

Cheap cone brewer: http://amzn.com/B001S353EQ

Cone filters (hate the eco-guilt marketing, though): http://amzn.com/B000U5ACLW

My cheap grinder. Has nice design features. Still a mediocre grinder. Doesn't matter so much. http://amzn.com/B00006IUX5

Aeropress for cheap DIY "Espresso" http://amzn.com/B000GXZ2GS (Don't have one, but people seem to like it.)

EDIT: I grind for 20-25 seconds with my blade grinder. Again, this works for me. YMMV.

The Aeropress is pretty good. It's cheap, easy to use, and surprisingly easy to clean. I used to use it to make mochas and faux-cappuccinos (pseudo-espresso from the Aeropress plus milk frothified using a whirly-agitator thing instead of steam) but these days I just make Americano-style coffee, which I like because it comes out rich and smooth. I'm not really a coffee snob, though, so YMMV.

100% agree on freshly roasted bean. I see people put week-old store-brand coffee beans in a $500 Kitchen Aid grinder and serve a cup of absolutely vile tasting coffee. Some people simply don't deserve nice things.

However, a Burr grinder is good investment, especially if you need the finer grinds. The cheapest one you can find will do fine, however.

The blade-grinder will beat randomly around all your beans for the entire grind-time. This will kick the crap out of the aromatic oils, and you lose some flavour. The Burr grinder "crunches" each bean once and never touches it again, leaving the oils alone.

I'll have to borrow a burr grinder from a friend sometime and give it a try.

This is exactly where I am on the coffee spectrum. Cheap everything, fresh beans, plus a $40 investment on ebay to nab a burr grinder.

Be aware that there are different kinds of burr grinder. IIRC, it is preferable to have one that holds the grinding elements/surfaces (burrs) in what is referred to as a "conical" configuration. A quick google will elucidate; sorry, I'm still waking up...

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_preparation#Grinding

Yeah, it's good to bring that up. I got lucky on the auction and grabbed a conic burr: the Bodum Antigua.

http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&client=safari&r...

Works fantastic so far. Pretty highly recommended by me.

Most coffee is still good when it was roasted a week ago (whole-bean, of course, and true, a week is starting to push it). The problem is that plenty of places—Starbucks, etc.—sell several-month-old beans.

Two weeks is the outside for me. A big problem is that even sitting in an airtight container, the stuff still ages.

That's because most people dilute their coffee until it's nothing else. Most people don't like coffee - they like milk and sugar.

A good cup of coffee should taste wonderful without anything added. Of course, I know nothing about making my own - the coffee shop around the corner makes fantastic coffee and espresso :)

The grind especially matters, and burr grinders can pay for themselves, if you're concerned about the rising cost of good beans (places like Stumptown, Ritual in SF, Victrola in Seattle etc. are doing coffees pitched - and priced - more like wine than coffee). Take a look inside your blade grinder sometime - odds are you'll find entire halves of beans still kicking around in there. That sure isn't getting you maximum value out of your beans.

Yet another endorsement for a conical burr grinder. I like good coffee, without believing my pallet is that sophisticated, but I recently switched from a blade grinder and couldn't believe the difference (and consistency of results, probably the main point).

Keep the blade grinder around though; they're still good for spices :)

Freshness is great, yes, and the quality of the beans and roast are usually higher from places that actually disclose the roast date, but grind is very important.

Coffee is very much about the extraction: under-extract, and the coffee will have a sour edge; over-extract, and the extra caffeine extracted will bring bitterness to the cup. Using a blade grinder means introducing a huge range of differently-sized solids that will extract at different rates, meaning even if you hit a nice middle ground, you're introducing sour and bitter flavor components into your cup. Burr grinders provide a very even grind and minimize this.

Next time you go to a place that roasts freshly, try to take home a little bit pre-ground. It will have less flavor (due to rapid oxidization), but the flavor should be better: more balanced and consistent (as long as it was a good brew). Don't get me wrong: pull an espresso shot from just-ground coffee, and pull another one from coffee ground 15 minutes ago, and the crema deprecation is pretty amazing. Pre-grinding kills a lot of coffee's oomph. Still, blade-grinding mangles a lot of coffee's hidden potential :)

I own a cafe and I roast my own beans. I won't drink anyone else's coffee unless I am on a roadtrip.

I have one of these http://www.ambexroasters.com/pages/ym5.jsp

Although it's older and not as shiny.

I'd definitely second the recommendation to roast your own. Green beans are cheap, and the you can't really have better control over freshness. Hackers interested in roasting their own should probably just grab a cheap $15–20 hot air popcorn popper. You can actually get a great, consistent (if rushed) roast. I've migrated to bigger, slower machines, but can't say they always do a better job.

I have enough empty 155 lb coffee sacks to make a yurt.

Roasting your own doesn't equal better coffee. Roasting is a skill and not everyone has it.

Never said to the contrary, but skills can be acquired, and roasting is one of the easier ones to work on.

If you can cook, you can roast coffee. It's not that hard. My advice to new cooks and coffee roasters is the same. Eat your mistakes.

"hate the eco-guilt marketing, though"

Wow, you weren't kidding. The brand name is "If You Care"..

Makes me suspect the people who run that company are actually SUV-driving smartass cynics. I just buy whatever filters are in the store.

I buy disposable filters because I care?

Wouldn't one of those micro-mesh cones that you can use forever be more eco?

I mean to give the Aeropress a try, when I have a chance. Everything I've read about it has been very positive.

I also hope to give this low cost, hand operated vacuum sealer a try, to keep my roasted beans in a low oxygen environment:

http://www.pump-n-seal.com/

Presently, I keep them in a foil bag having a one-wave valve to vent CO2. I repeatedly fold down and then rubber band the opening to eliminate excess air. Works pretty well.

Any tips for backpacking? Is there a rule of thumb for getting the right water temperature without measuring? I'm planning on grinding before I go, taking a french press, and packing the ground beans in ziploc bags.

For backpacking I find that even a french press is too much weight. I use an ultralight drip that attaches to any mug:

http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Ep...

As for the proper temperature, as soon as bubbles start to float to the top (but way before rolling), I find it's about right.

You probably aren't reading this thread anymore but in case you do:

You can buy mugs that have a french press built in - see http://www.amazon.com/Planetary-Design-Commuter-Double-Shot-...

I have a similar though cheaper version of one of these and it's pretty good.

Those are really nice for travel or the office (I'm drinking from one right now) but I find the volume, weight and mechanism of the cup (making it only really usable for coffee) makes it too much of a luxury for backpacking.

I mean, keep in mind that the drip filter I linked is 14 grams. =D

And then you just reuse with whatever cup you are already using.

A few years ago, I got my hands on an old cast-iron manual coffee grinder. It makes a huge difference over pre-ground coffee.

You should post this on reddit, I'm sure they will find it interesting.

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