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It seems this is the predecessor: Visual Studio Online (2013): http://weblogs.asp.net/jongalloway/a-quick-look-at-the-new-v... (scroll down half way to see the screenshots and videos) So the idea and technology behind it predates Satya Nadella CEO appointment by at least 3 months.

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MS has always had great ideas and technology waiting in the wings. The problem was always they could never ship it.

Nadella's contribution is to make it possible to ship this sort of thing. Shipping this under Ballmer would have been a miracle.

> ... always ... waiting in the wings ... ship

This sounds like you're speaking from inside experience. I would _love_ to hear more of this back story. Seriously, to anyone, write it up.

I've never worked there but I know people who did. And anyone who follows MS Research can read between the lines. No direct experience here though so I'm the wrong person to write it up.

You just have to look at the amount of money they sunk into R&D in the last 15 years, which is public data. Nobody spends that sort of cash to simply develop simple iterative versions of established products (which Windows and Office have been ever since XP, really) or one random new gizmo (Kinect).

R&D gets favorable tax treatment. Maintaining an OS, whatever it costs, is R&D.

You could google for that minimsft blog and the `we forgot how to ship´ trend of a few years back (from Sinofsky(i?) I believe).

Have a look at the list of projects here http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/ and see how many are probably going to be profitable in the next couple of decades. It's actually pretty amazing how much research Microsoft fund that seems unrelated to any of their current product lines.

I think MS Research would be a pretty amazing place to work.

If i remember correctly, Haskell is being developed in MS RD. At least they have hired the main Haskell dev, and I think he was involved in the F# dev work, including ideas from Haskell. IThis was commented on in a talk with the Erlang and Haskell devs.

ghc, the Haskell compiler everyone uses, is developed mainly at MSR in Cambridge, UK.

MSR really is an incredible place to work, but also impossibly hard to get in. It's akin to getting a fully tenured professorship at a top-tier computer science program. Back when I was in graduate school, MSR dominated every other computer science research department in the number of SIGGRAPH papers they published each year. And that's just in graphics.

100% true on all counts.

Visual Studio Online is basically TFS online. Think github + CI + Kanban board + Issue tracking online.

It's more than that. Scroll half way down on my link above, check out the screenshots and video.

Visual Studio Code is more like an offline version of Visual Studio Online (the editor part), 2 years later.

The editor is a tiny tiny tiny tiny part of VS Online.

And exactly that "not so tiny" editor is the big part of Visual Studio Code. And it is not trivial at all - it's a very complex component to get right. The editor component comes from Switzerland and is called "monaco" and one of the main reasons why the "TypeScript" language exists and why ES6 looks as it looks today.

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