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Just to comment on the often repeated claim of the unavailability of the data - try visiting:

http://www-pcmdi.llnl.gov/ipcc/about_ipcc.php - contains all the models used in the IPCC AR4.

http://tamino.wordpress.com/climate-data-links/ - contains a huge amount of climate data.

http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/ccr/ammann/millennium/CODES_MBH.html - An independend re-evaluation of a climate reconstruction.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/mann2008/mann2008.html - Full data for a late 2008 reconstruction.

Data is available - maybe part of the problem is the complexity and quantity of the data.

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When I have time and climateaudit is back up, I am going to reply to this comment with specific instances of McIntyre being refused the data he would like in order to replicate studies. I would like for you to tell me if you think that behavior is befitting the scientific community or not.

An ignorant, unqualified gadfly complaining about a lack of assistance and collaboration from working scientists is not a compelling argument.

Wow! Unfortunately, your attitude today, exactly reflects the problem. Obviously, the gentleman in question is anything but what you claim him to be.

Read your post, and then perhaps do a little soul searching about what science is really about.

The only people afraid of sunlight are those people with something to be ashamed of.

I wasn't aware that you needed to be "qualified" to be allowed to reproduce mathematical models.

The only people afraid of sunlight are those people with something to be ashamed of.

There are plenty of reasons to be afraid of exposing internal communications due to the vagaries of political processes and vendettas.

To claim otherwise is naive, disingenuous, or both.

I wasn't aware that you needed to be "qualified" to be allowed to reproduce mathematical models.

I'm sure that if he just wasn't being kept down by those evil climate scientists, he'd prove them all wrong.

The only people afraid of sunlight are those people with something to be ashamed of.

If you have nothing to hide, why won't you let me search your car?

Reproducible results are supposed to be at the core of what science is about. Kinda defeats the purpose if you hide your data.

I don't see what the fourth amendment has to do with this.

Politicized science is not good science.

Please support the claim that they "hid" their data. Note that citing an unqualified politically biased source is not adequate support for such a serious scientific claim.

I was specifically addressing the claim that any scientist not entirely forthcoming with their data clearly has something to hide. This is clearly false - in the same way that one cannot presume someone is guilty because they won't let you search them.

Think of this from their perspective: they're sick and tired of crackpots and conspiracy theorists taking their data, running ludicrous analyses on them, and misinforming the public. They don't have the time to shoot down every single terrible interpretation of the data there is, so the best action is to hide it.

Not saying this was the right move, but entirely understandable given their situation. The fact that they were not volunteering their data around is certainly not by itself damning evidence of any sort.

Nobody is being payed to help some random fool. If he wants them to assist him sign up for a masters at a major university and plenty of people will help him because they are then being payed to be helpful. It's not that they are trying to cover something up they just don't feel like wasting time when they get zero benefit from it.

PS: Call up a research assistant and say I will pay you 200$ an hour to help me, and they will fall all over themselves to help you out. Although buying the computer time to actually run some of these simulations would get real expensive really quick.

How long does it take to forward a .zip file? I'm sure McIntyre would be more than willing to pay $200/hr for such services.

As a scientist why would I invest my time in providing additional support to someone that will simply twist whatever assistance is provided to support his own agenda?

As a programmer I wouldn't certainly not waste my time assisting someone who merely intended to smear my project in his blog to meet his own political ends.

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