Comment by sologoub | Hacker News Reader

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That may be true, in all honesty, I don't know enough, but am trying to learn as much of this history as time permits. Not originally from US...

That said, US on average seems to be doing a hell of a lot better in owning up to such injustices than many other place. For example, I was bored last night and reading about the Great Northern War between Sweden and Russia circa 1700s, and somehow managed to find out about TWO distinct ethnic groups and languages that barely exist today, but were more or less thriving as late as early 1900s in the area I would have considered nothing but Russian. If you are interested, read up on the history of Vyborg and Ingria: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingria. Good luck getting the current residents to even knowledge this...

At least US is not in complete denial and that is quite laudable. Hopefully, more progress is made to that end.

>At least US is not in complete denial and that is quite laudable. Hopefully, more progress is made to that end.

You are clearly in denial to the point where you need to look at other nations 500 years ago and conjure things that never happened, to make yourself feel better about the U.S., a country that has never been democratic nor free.

As for Ingria in Sweden, still exist, have their own language and the state/county is still named after them, Ångermanland.

How can I be in denial if I said I'm just learning about the US history and details? I absolutely acknowledge that I have not read enough on the subject to have a proper informed perspective.

As for Ingria, I think we are referring to different places. I'm referring to the area mostly in present day Leningradskaya Oblast in Russia. From the same wikipedia article:

"According to the Soviet census of 1989, there were 829 Izhorians, 449 of them in Russia (including other parts of the country) and 228 in Estonia."

Compared to:

"By 1897 (year of the Russian Empire Census) the number of Ingrian Finns had grown to 130,413, and by 1917 it had exceeded 140,000 (45,000 in Northern Ingria, 52,000 in Central (Eastern) Ingria and 30,000 in Western Ingria, the rest in Petrograd)."

So from 140k to maybe ~800? At least to me, that's pretty heinous...

Edit: Note that events I'm talking about are less than 100 years old and, as a resident of the country doing it, I had no idea it even happened...

You specifically named Sweden, and that's the remark I replied to.

Because that land was controlled by Sweden before 1700s. But in any case, the article I linked to is written better than I can explain and also links to other relevant info if you are interested.

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