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The word as its used today means a person who is “pig headed, thinks they are always correct, argumentative”. The original meaning was "a person of illegitimate parentage". If we applied Github's logic to this, it is clear that people born out of wedlock feel unwelcome in the open source community.
[edit] Comment of note from the repo owner in the github conservation - https://github.com/nixxquality/WebMConverter/commit/c1ac0baa...
Search on Github for retard - https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=retard&type=Code&...
Funny find: there are people in that thread from China who are laughing at the censorship we face in USA due to political correctness.
If you make a satire of feminism (C+=, ToleranUX) you get banned.
It's ok to harass https://github.com/freebsdgirl/ggautoblocker/blob/master/sou... in the open, because it's a girl running the project.
This, and a tweet where he said that while he takes no stance on #gamergate, as Chairman of IDGA Puerto Rico he has to denounce someone who said everybody who is pro #gamergate should be sent to Nazi gas chambers, got him labeled a harasser, and a leader of gamergate.
In the 9 months since then, he and his family have been harassed. Much of that is linked to in the discussion here [1].
He has since been forced to stepped down as Chair of the Python Cuba working group due to the harassers contacting his employer and his employers clients [2].
[1] https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-cuba/2015-June/0000...
[2] https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-cuba/2015-July/0001...
* Rosario wasn't criticizing the implementation of the block list but rather the policies it was based on; in particular, he was upset that he'd been added based on his use of the #gamergate tag.
* A reasonable person reading that tweet stream could easily come to the conclusion that Rosario was a GamerGate person; he used the tag consistently and, in every case I saw, positively. I take no position (here) on the implications of supporting GamerGate, but do object to the paragraph you wrote suggesting Rosario should have been surprised to see himself associated with them.
* In response to being added to the blocklist, he escalated, threatening to resign from IDGA unless they repudiated his inclusion on the blocklist. A reasonable person can argue that his response to the blocklist made this about his role at IDGA.
Not that it matters, but by way of bona fides: I'm not a fan of Harper and I think her block list, like every other block list created in the history of humanity, has stopped being about principle and become an instrument of factional politics. On the other hand, having a temper tantrum about being included on a Twitter blacklist seems to me like not a particularly good use of time and energy, and I think less of people who are vocally upset about Harper's blocklist.
Every time I have to deal with some crappy forum software on the web, I remember how much nicer newsreaders were, and wish people would do web based forums by using an NNTP server and providing a browser-based NNTP client for it, and would allow people to use their own clients if they wished.
[1] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/net.unix-wizards/CYh...
> A reasonable person reading that tweet stream could easily come to the conclusion that Rosario was a GamerGate person; he used the tag consistently and, in every case I saw, positively. I take no position (here) on the implications of supporting GamerGate, but do object to the paragraph you wrote suggesting Rosario should have been surprised to see himself associated with them.
In those, I see 23 occurrences of "gamergate" according to my browser's search function. The first chronologically are the two chastising the guy for the Nazi gas chamber remark, on 2014-11-13. Neither of them are using #gamergate as a tag to classify the tweet. The first was:
I just heard you say in the @Kingofpol interview that
everybody who are pro #GamerGate should be sent to Nazi
gas chambers
and the second was: I don't take a public stance regarding #GamerGate, but as
chairman @IGDA_PuertoRico I have to denouce what you just
said
I don't see either of these as being either positive or negative use of #gamergate. They are there because that's what they are talking about.The next two are on 2014-11-21, where he says he'll resign from IDGA Puerto Rico if they don't stop tagging him as an harasser. Note that this is only 8 days after the first two (and only two at the time) #gamergate tweets.
> In response to being added to the blocklist, he escalated, threatening to resign from IDGA unless they repudiated his inclusion on the blocklist. A reasonable person can argue that his response to the blocklist made this about his role at IDGA
The first two tweets, chastising the guy for the Nazi gas chamber comment, explicitly said that he was denouncing the remark as chairman of IDGA Puerto Rico.
I can see why he is upset here. He was chairman of an organization, and that organization was listing on their resources page a block list that labeled him an harasser. It doesn't sound to me like he wanted them to denounce the block list or his inclusion on it, but rather to just stop implicitly endorsing it by listing it on their site.
I see another 8 on the 21st and 22nd, 2 about the flawed algorithm of the blocker, one where he says he doesn't care about being blocked but rather about being labeled an harasser, one apparently in response to questioning of his relevance to game development, one apparently in response to accusations that he is censoring and sabotaging, one apparently in response to accusations of misogyny, one apologizing for the wording of the second tweet about the block algorithm, and one saying accusing people pre-emptively of a crime is wrong.
(Looking at the responses to some of those I see some mention of the GNAA[1] being involved. It was not clear if it was supposed to be GNAA members were trying to stir up things by making accusations against Rosario, or if they were saying Rosario is a GNAA member).
Over the next few days, there is one disagreeing with the use of the block list as a job candidate filter; one linking to a blog post he wrote discussing how to design a useful tool to deal with harasses and others by tracking complaints and documenting them, and starting a project to make that tool; 4 or so about Raspberry Pi using the block list; and .
There are no more tweets with "gamergate" in them until nearly 6 months later. There was a series of tweets on 2014-11-27 apparently in response to harassment targeting his family, where he said he thanked people for their support and said he was removing himself from further discussions on this topic.
The next tweet with "gamergate" in it is on 2015-05-25. It's about an Instructables project of his mysteriously disappearing, and he hopes it has nothing to do with some people thinking he is related to gamergate. (It turned out to be a glitch...apparently several other projects had disappeared and reappeared, and his came back).
It doesn't look to me like many, if any, of those uses of #gamergate are using it positively (or negatively). They are just using it contextually.
There are also a couple recent ones on the block list topic but not using the gamergate tag, such as a complaint about O'Reilly using the block list to prevent people from following them for OSCON information. In addition to the gg block list, BTW, they also were apparently using the atheism+ block list, and possible more. They were also blocking any friends of blocked people who tweeted asking why their friend was blocked.
[1] GNAA == Gay Niggers Association of America, an internet trolling group associated associated with Weev.
We seem to agree on point 1: Rosario wasn't criticizing the implementation of the blocklist, but rather the perceived policy of adding people to it based on their use of the #GamerGate hashtag. I don't know how important this point is, but I felt like your comment could have created the impression that the ggblocklist was incompetent on an engineering level.
We don't agree on point 3, but I think we're in "reasonable people disagreement" terrain on it. You think it's reasonable for someone to get upset at being publicly labeled a harasser and then demand that their organization stop doing things that perpetuate that label. I agree that it's reasonable to do that, but also think that when you deliver an ultimatum to your organization, you're making them part of the drama, and that has consequences.
Our real disagreement is on point 2. We probably reasonably disagree here too. Here are the factors that led me to believe that Rosario was a pro-GG'er:
* He used the "#NotYourShield" hashtag multiple times. You can comment about GamerGate using #GamerGate, but if you use "#NotYourShield", the impression you create with me is that you're one of them. In particular: his "#NotYourShield" tweets weren't about that hashtag, but rather evoking it.
* He claimed in a tweet that the ggblocklist was "probably illegal". I associate claims that anti-GG activity are illegal, antitrust, fraud, collusion, &c with KotakuInAction, a perception colored by Popehat's mockery of those legal claims.
* Most of his #GamerGate tweets weren't about GamerGate, but rather about how he's a "true" gamer. Claims to gamer authenticity + #GamerGate = GamerGate supporter, in my perception.
I could be wrong about all this.
Also: little doubt in my mind that strident opposition to the ggblocklist, of any sort, is grounds to be added to the blocklist. Like I said: I don't like the blocklist. But I'm also not alarmed or offended by it; I just think less of people who promote it.
Excellent. That makes being an hour and half late for work today for writing that long post worth it. :-)
> He claimed in a tweet that the ggblocklist was "probably illegal". I associate claims that anti-GG activity are illegal, antitrust, fraud, collusion, &c with KotakuInAction, a perception colored by Popehat's mockery of those legal claims.
Wasn't that tweet [1] not suggesting that the block list was probably illegal, but rather employers using it as an employment black list was probably illegal?
Note that I'm saying he is correct about that. Nor am I saying that he is incorrect. Something like 30 states have laws prohibiting employment black lists, but at the risk of losing my newly restored nuance merit badge I'm not going to go read them all to see if they only apply to black lists made by employers! (If anyone wants to do so, here's an article that cites them to get you started [2]). It seems these usually are about black lists made by a former employer, but some of them look like they might be more general.
[1] https://twitter.com/siloraptor/status/536532439108444160
[2] http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/free-books/employee-r...
Here is the secondary problem - GitHub sides with these people called Social Justice Warriors. Basically, if you make a bad joke on Twitter, or say something that gaming journalists are shills - they harass your employers and ruin your life.
GitHub supports and protects these people. They will censor anyone with an opinion that doesn't speak glowingly of their politics.
Make a joke about feminists? Your repo gets shuts down.
A user makes a joke about cross-dressing on twitter? SJW's find him on twitter, look up his repository and harass his issues until he concedes to merging a code of conduct. The people didn't even use his software.
This is like persecution. I don't care what people do behind close doors - but I don't like the idea of being guilt-tripped to show enthusiasm about any political idea. That's not professional or what open source is about.
By the way, the project was Opal, I can't find the issue in question to see. Do you have it?
Companies imposing their morality on their customers isn't really unexpected nor surprising. But the way in which they went about this seemed exceptionally sloppy.
They are safe harbors for them, they shouldn't be playing priest / police period.
If you look up GGAutoBlocker's author, she claims to be an anti-harassment advocate, yet the first two pages of her on Google are about her meth addiction and her provoking fights with people she doesn't know.
BTW, I never heard of this lady until she linked my HN profile on twitter. https://twitter.com/randileeharper/status/613273053930229760
It's none of their business for their moderators to impose their politics.
https://github.com/jcs/lobsters
Oh, and don't click on 常见问题(慎入).