2ndorderthought

Because the authors don't owe you anything. You aren't giving them a single thing. They don't have to justify a thing. There is no SLA, no contract, nothing.

Feedback is fine, but there are so comments being things like "ermahgerd I paid nothing for this thing and a feature wasn't working What the actual F!". Go file an issue and fix it yourself buddy.

I remember my car broke down, it was trash worth maybe 200 in scrap metal at the time. The tow to the yard was like 100 or something. I was screwed and couldn't get rides to work. My buddy lent me a car he had for free. I did not complain once to anyone about the things wrong with that car, and I never will. I even fixed some small issues with it to return the favor. The guy and that car saved my livelihood at the time.

I realize that's a little dramatic. I also think people are allowed to raise issues. But the entitlement and the way people talk about free software is annoying. Especially when alternatives cost as much as a used or new car.

If you have a Ferrari pallete for software then I hope there's an alternative that satisfies that for free, if so say so, otherwise shut up, contribute, or pay the Ferrari dollars already.

I couldn't do it. It made me feel crazy. Looking back though, now I don't have a job and that stinks. Oh well at least I don't get nightmares about debugging the next production issue on call.

Makes me so happy to see amd trying to compete with Nvidia nemotron models. More local model producers the better!

How do I do that? It takes a while.

Don't ask me. It wasnt 200k it was like 170 something. I can't say too much but it was some big weird ETL pipeline using some weird database. Tons of weird algorithms for displaying data, by storing it all in memory? I don't know man I wasn't allowed to talk to whoever had swarms of agents create it. From what I understand of it it was a complete hazard

Linux kernel has I think tens of millions of lines of code for reference.

I hear you in the local model upfront cost. I lucked out and I like to play video games and took my GPU a little to seriously. Buyers remorse is now gone I guess.

You can get pretty good results with even smaller models. Cant prompt and pray with them as much though. So I get it.

Deepseek is like pennies. I might sign up with them one day

It would be horrible to rewrite. Not the first commit or whatever. But after a few weeks of people not reading the code it looks more like a write only code base. I refused to go full vibe/agentic coding. So I got to see what was happening. This was only over a short period of time mind you.

There was a lot of duplicate and triplicate methods. A lot of the classes were is-a related without inheritance, not the biggest deal but it was becoming a mess.

Code I used to know well was more or less gone. It was rewritten in a way that wasn't the same approach and had lost lessons learned. Some of it had real battle wounds baked into it. Things qa passed the week before were broken in places no one thought they touched. A good deal of tests were useless or didn't mean anything for production.

Code review is more or less impossible for me. I can read maybe a 1k line change. 20-30k changes all the time? You end up saying "sure buddy lgtm". We had someone put a 200kloc change for a new feature using a 3rd party tool no one had used before. No clue, but it was not my business apparently because we needed to be more individuals now that we were using AI

Yes or boiler plate! I usually go in and tweak it anyways because it's not good. But it does help. This agentic coding thing is madness to me.

I switched over to small local models. I do not need the vibe coder expensive models at all

He doesn't care. When c suite gets fired they get like half a million in severance and go rinse and repeat somewhere else

I had a similar situation 2 years ago. Correct these tools could not do those things, but people still used them for it. As well as diagnosing their dogs with cancer and whatever else.

I saw something really similar happen at my last few jobs. 2 jobs ago vibe coding wasn't even viable but some of the people went so hard on making everything so much more bloated with LLMs it was so hard to get yes or no answers for anything. 1 line slack, 20second question would get a response that was 2 pages of wishy washy blog posts with no answer. Follow ups generated more hours wasted.

My last job we watched a PM slowly become a vibe manager of vibe coders. He started inserting himself into technical discussions and using ai to dictate our direction at every step. We would reply but it got so laborious fighting against a human translating ai about topics they didn't understand people left. We weren't allowed to push back anymore either or our jobs would get threatened due to AI. Then they started mandating everyone vibe coded and the amount of vibe coding as being monitored. The pm got so disorganized being a pm and an engineer and an architect(their choice no one wanted this)that they would make multiple tickets for the same task with wildly different requirements. One team member would then vibe code it one way and another would another way.

It was so hard to watch a profitable team of 20 people bringing in almost 100million of profit a year go into nonutility and the most pointless work. I then left. I am trying my best to not be jaded by all of these changes to the software industry but it's a real struggle.

Have you listened to that guy say anything about anything? He's about as shrewd as a turnip or any invertebrate

Pretty sure that's been used as someone's diaper for the last decade.

Lol like look at the state of the us? Seems surprisingly accurate to me

I don't know why you are down voted. Tons of bots in here it's ridiculous.

None of this is normal.

Don't forget the whole, "maybe this will make it easier for xAi to distill anthropic models and we can make another attempt at mechahitler"

I mean you can do that, but the job probably doesn't pay too much. Might enrich your spirituality though.

One that I can physically turn off with a switch.

Did you ever try no meeting days and other methods to avoid interrupting thought workers?

Because even if someone is writing design documents you shouldn't be interrupting that process regularly either.

I love steam. I have a lot of concerns with a lot of the companies shuffling billions around. But not steam. They treat everyone fair.

The gambling thing is whack but at least it's not polymarket.

I want to buy a chip not API access!!!

You are entitled into your world view. What I personally would prefer to see would be laws that strengthened individual copyright and weakened the predatory behavior of big players who copyright and patent every single thing.

I see the ability for trillion dollar companies to wash their hands of any wrong doing for stealing all the intellectual property of the world as incredibly dangerous for innovation in the US.

So for me I would rather see reform then an abandonment. There wouldn't be much of anything to pirate if there was no incentive or protection to create in the first place.

In my mind the biggest threat the average person faces would be billionaires who can operate with impunity. Rather then a fine for pirating a book or a movie. It would be nice if the fines were proportionate to the value of the item... I digress

I never thought about that, but yes I would be weary of that as well.

Having seen someone die at work, this is factual. The comments made during and after were eye opening.

I have an amazing timeshare for sale and you seem like someone who would really see the opportunity this provides. How are your financials?

Yea, I appreciate them protecting it from DDOS. I always viewed them as a responsible company.

To me this feels irresponsible and like it's main goal is to forward autonomous cyber attacks. Which is antithetical to what they do? Maybe I am missing the legitimate use case here, but I can only see this being used for removing responsibility from crime or espionage?

Does anyone know offhand if cloudflare is a department of war contractor? I never looked into it. But this smells funny to me

Somehow the Internet needs biometrics and age verification everywhere but also chat bots can buy property there without too much thought.

So true

I am curious. Say, cloudflare let's Mr doofus run 4 agents from AI provider X. Those agents go on to create a pyramid scheme, prompted or not(both cases are interesting to me). The agents are running code in infrastructure owned by a third party cloud provider. The law catches up with the bots many years later after people lose a couple million. Who is at fault?

I think cloudflare is in the clear. Mr doofus could argue that the AI company allowed or enabled the crime which they otherwise wouldn't have done. Or Mr doofus could claim his prompts shouldn't have lead to that outcome and that wasn't his intent at all. Making the bots at fault, but not the AI company I guess?

Ever hear of Aaron swartz?

Yea in the us if someone tries to steal your car and you are in it or threatened by it you can shoot them dead or something like that (ianal) You may have a court day but in many situations no punishment will follow.