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EDIT: Would love to also set up a blog roll with other HNers. If anyone likes anything on my site link me yours! Would love to chat and share and link to each other's sites!
Very true. Thought can become our master easily. As a programmer, I often find myself struggling to get out of 'logic' mode or 'thinking' mode.
> I'll let you ponder the discrepancy from an absolutely (perhaps) low-level logical machine to the possibility of a chaotic non-logical emergent high-level behavior. What it means for life, for AI, and possibly much bigger or smaller things we consider "inert", for now.
Wonderfully put! I think the ideas of emergent behaviours are a saving grace for the incessant desire of ours to reduce everything to its atomic (in the sense of an atomic operation, not an atom) components. The emergent behaviours, can't be predicted. They can't be algorithmized. Becuase to build algorithms one must go down to those atomic operations.
My wider concern is that we are currently obsessed with analytical thought and philosophy and that the continental philosophy has become a 2nd class citizen. I think this has happened becuase analytical thought lends itself to being algorithmized, whereas continental philosophy does not.
Sorry, that was a bit of a tangent!
Yes! Love the pictures! I have had the same thought/feeling when I first saw them too!
There is no purpose of life, in my opinion. But with randomness it's a lot more intresting.
I'm still uncertain i.e. spiritual. I'm finding, as I grow older, logic and reason fail to answer for my experiences. Whether that's a shortcoming in my own ability to comprehend logic and reason, or because logic and reason simply do not have all the answers, I do not know.
> Randomness does not help there.
The human condition, one might argue, emerged as a way to handle randomness. I suppose, at some level, if we were to remove all randomness from the universe, life would be pretty pointless (insomuch as life is not already pointless.)
I guess I'd say a Turing machine is my definition of a machine.
And I suppose the implication is that if we are machines, operating on a stream of input, does that make us deterministic?
EDIT: What I'm ultimately interested in is if we, as humans, are operating in a realm that logic cannot operate in. If that makes any sense? I'll probably have to define realm!
Whenever someone new joins the firm, and they know all the cool operators ect., I get so nervous around them! But I've caused myself so much stress trying to do something clever, having to go back and update the behaviour, only to curse myself for trying to be clever!
I like this thought on this being a two-way street; could you explain a bit more / build on that idea?
EDIT: Ludwig Wittgenstein's work is pretty axiomatic right?
"Here is a harder one as we move up the complexity scale."
What is the complexity scale? How do you measure how complex truth is? Can truth have properties other than rightness or wrongness?
This, I think, is where the concept of fuzzy truth could be invoked. What that is I have no idea, I just made it up!
How can we flush this from our minds? How do we trust those that purport to speak the truth?
Isn't truth truth by its definition?
edit: sorry, was being a bit rude.
But I do remember reading about a physicist who wasn't allowed to edit the Wiki on their theory! (sorry can't remember who / when)
Also, that link doesn't work. think you need a dot! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Guy_Macon/Yes._We_are_bia...)
EDIT: But I do trust it. So maybe it doesn't matter?