Literally the 3rd line of the article.
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Literally the 3rd line of the article.
Edit: I'm not disparaging this, I'm asking a question...
It really makes me question the validity of the rest of the points.
Am I required to have omniscient knowledge of the subject prior to commenting? You asked me what I was referring to, and I answered your question.
It has been painfully clear, with almost every release in recent history, that wikileaks uses releases as distractions to take the spotlight away from other stories. That's why it's worth bringing this up on every post.
Just because wikileaks wants the story to be about the release, doesn't mean that's where the real story is. I'm curious as to what the real story is. I do not know the answer to that question, hence my initial comment.
I definitely agree that I do not want extremist groups to grow and become even more of a 'thing' in the US. However, I do not know if I am OK with stripping people of their 4th amendment rights just because they have been 'associated' with a terrorist group (or visited a terrorist group's website...) That's a dangerous path.
I also still fail to see how the information taken from Dreamhost would help them track somebody who committed a crime. What, are they going to subpoena everyone's ISPs to find out who every single person is, then arrest them and see if they happen to be someone who committed a crime? That's wrong. What am I missing here? How could this be used in any way except to build a list of 'potential terrorists' in some 3 letter org's database?
I think what irked me, specifically, is the way the question was phrased, as though guilt was the default assumption, which is absurd to me.
I interpreted "What alternatives exist for getting this info?" as "What other way would big brother be able to violate your rights, except through this?" which I now realize is not what he was trying to say.
Has there been any evidence linking the users of this site directly to this riot? My core issue is that this seems to me to be a case of attacking political opponents through the legal system.
What evidence do they have that there is relevant information in those records directly tied to someone who committed a crime? I fail to see anything in this article that actually mentions a valid reason for this search.
Their original request covered over a million users. How could that possibly be reasonable?
>what alternative is there to find out who they are?
That's not the question you should be asking. The question you should be asking yourself is "why am I OK with violating the 4th amendment rights of millions of citizens"
Are you under the impression that everyone in the world has had access to decent education their entire lives?
Are you under the impression that motivation is the sole factor in determining one's ability to learn?
>How can you learn to learn
By not taking everything hyper-literally. The course is educating people on strategies they can use to help retain and learn information. How is that self-defeating?
How are they supporting the people? How does this benefit society? All this does is attempt to take away the spotlight from other shit happening in our country. Every major country develops hacking software. This isn't news. This isn't even surprising or ground-breaking. It's not even that invasive, it requires physical access AND an admin account!
This is just a distraction. Society is no better off with this information being public.
Regardless of the authenticity of the information, they clearly only release information when it is politically beneficial for their(?) motives.
Here is my interpretation of the complaints. Please point out what I am missing.
>It's impractical...
Square peg round hole.
>It's supporting their downgrading and killing the web...
Facebook posts being inherently (mostly) simple text is 'killing the web'? I don't buy it.
>Facebook might go out of business.
Just a generic SaaS complaint. Nothing unique to Facebook about this.
Am I missing a core argument here?
However, after reading some of the other comments in this thread, I might have to rethink that. It's interesting to see how many people seem to be unable to see through their own moral outrage.
I think we both are in agreement in sentiment, but I do not think you effectively communicated your ideas in a way that would be beneficial to a constructive discussion. It's too easy for people who disagree with you to point out flaws in your argument as opposed to understanding and discussing your true point.
>Take a homeless person and let them sleep in your kitchen in exchange for mowing your lawn -> moral hero.
This is a flawed thesis if you're still trying to argue w.r.t. lordnacho's post.
>Take a homeless person
First off, there's no reason to believe that that person was or was not homeless prior to the situation. This is called an "Argument from ignorance"[2]
>let them sleep in your kitchen in exchange for mowing your lawn
This premise is really a False analogy[3], and explicitly ignores the other warning signs in his post that would indicate that this is not what the situation truly is.
Also, in most developed countries, there are very specific labor and tenant laws. "I'm letting him sleep on my couch if he mows my lawn once a week" is not a legal agreement. It is also not equivalent to "I have a live-in maid" - which also has a buttload of legal protections.
All of your other statements are riddled with half-truth bullshit and I'm not interested in explicitly explaining the rest to you. If you are, in fact, serious about being able to "rationality ground your morality" then I suggest you take a look at some of your statements and think about how grounded in reality they truly are.
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
[3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_analogy#False_an...