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As a thought experiment, how many companies do you know that make enough positive revenue to recoup development and marketing costs from a completely open source download that doesn't rely on something other than the open source software itself for profitability, like a proprietary component or some kind of hosting or network or human support service to drive value? I can think of none.
Whatever your feelings about small AI models, "it hasn't happened yet" is a really dumb reaction to a prediction about a rapidly advancing future.
An API may be considered to be a specification or even an implementation of a specification, and you can look at a specification, implement a specification, and even look at an implementation of a specification all without using the implementation of the specification to extract data from behind the curtain.
Anyway, public things and spaces often disallow specific uses or uses by specific people. Like a park where you're not allowed to take your dog. Access is not the same as permission.
> The person is allowed to walk to your door.
Not if you notify them of a restraining order saying otherwise. We have a number of social and legal constructs facilitating the establishment of situationally-adaptive permission boundaries.
If I ban you from my house and you show up in disguise, you may be able to get in, but you are still not entitled to be there.
The very obvious answer is that penalty is commensurate with suitable advance notice of authorization limits. It's why there are rules about things like how to post "no trespassing" signs when access boundaries are not otherwise clear. But you're also allowed to notify and make someone leave your property if they wander in.
> but sue anyone
There are two very different kinds of "sue anyone". There's sue them to extract resources from them and there's sue them to make them stop. This is the latter not the former. Treating them as though they aren't wildly different is an error.
You effectively just asked whether I should be allowed to escort someone off my property without harm if they accidentally enter it. Yes, because it doesn't harm them in relation to what they didn't know in advance.
Public as in being visible to all is not the same as public as in allowing use by all. You appear to be conflating the former definition with the latter. For example, my front door is visible to all, but a person isn't allowed to walk into my house without permission.
Ok, but why a new app for that instead of a PR for brew?
The automating can/does/will expand faster than the needs can. Where those lines fully cross may be in the future for many professions, but it's not _infinitely_ in the future for any of them.
> "I mean what do you think about the AI companies losing billions and billions every year, don't you think at some point they will just not have it anymore?"
None of them lose money on inference though. The reason frontier AI labs lose money right now is because they're economically forced to keep pushing the frontier on their own, but that's a different problem than running a model that already exists. That conversation can become longer than I really want to type out, so I'm just going to point you to the profitable open weight hosts and hope you recognize the truth of it.
One of four futures awaits:
1) The government steps in and consolidates/nationalizes/subsidizes frontier AI development and allows it to be used to replace human labor.
2) The government steps in and consolidates/nationalizes/subsidizes frontier AI development but does not allow it to be used to replace human labor.
3) Frontier development moves into the open because the proprietary frontier labs have all died, and the only major businesses left are profitably running open model inference at some future capability level greater than today's that continues to be driven forward through public research and open models.
4) Frontier development ceases completely somehow, and the only businesses left are profitably running open model inference at some future capability level greater than today's.
1 and 3 are equally destructive. 2 and 4 are implausible (4 is still bad though).
Your survival under capitalism depends on you being needed. And if right now AI helps you do things, tomorrow AI makes you unnecessary. The thing to worry about here isn't AI. The thing to worry about here is a society that has no plan to stop forcing everyone to labor to eat while simultaneously devaluing their labor.
There are three important analytic boundaries:
1) Some people are less employable right now because of AI.
2) The limit approaching everyone else will be less employable in the future because of AI if it keeps progressing (this includes even manual labor eventually), and we have no reason yet to believe that it won't keep progressing.
3) AI might suddenly stop progressing for unpredictable reasons, but right now that doesn't seem likely.
Also, the art scenes section is not ASCII.
Well, first, the post alludes that a number of experiments have been done already. Singapore is given as a relatively large example.
https://www.nea.gov.sg/corporate-functions/resources/researc...
But that's not really the important thing about the post. The important part is that it takes 15 years of systemic confusion for companies to even get to the point of being allowed to do the small trials to try to answer the question of ecological impact.
One to embody power, the other one to crave it?
I'm confused about the connection.
We know that the current ongoing cost of mosquito-borne disease is hundreds of millions of people being debilitated and hundreds of thousands of torturous deaths every year.
If we assume that "may" here means "could somehow" and not "is authorized to", the legal action after revelation seems correct as written (ignoring whether the person viewing it has any relation to the person being threatened) unless the law gets struck down as unconstitutional. The question is only whether Anthropic should or should not report it.
> "If I write ... It was clearly intended to be a private note!"
The law as written doesn't appear to distinguish about intent of privacy. Also, if you're in the habit of writing notes to yourself, I guess maybe don't write down the one that says you're going to shoot up the sheriff's office.
In fact, no, they did not say that. They said that the considered balance of the merits strongly favors eradicating the 2% of mosquito species that carry human diseases for someone who gives greater weight to the benefit of saving a billion human lives[0] than to the cost of some trout eating the thousands of other mosquito species instead.
[0] - 700 million contracted mosquito-borne illnesses each year worldwide. Death isn't the only consequence of significance.