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And?

Is this an apple fanboy club and critisism is not allowed or you don't think this critisim is valid because of your strawman argument?

You do understand that this was headlines for years? Did you complelty ignore that?

It only got 'fixed' 2023 and insulin still costs $30-50 per month for something you need to live.

Thats not the point. There is a difference between someone spending a lot of money on compute and never use it vs. doing the same thing.

Its like buying a porsch and driving it always at 100km only.

And? Why do you even the comment on a social critisism comment? Just ignore it, feel happy when you buy yourself the next stupid thing while you feel offended seeing your fellow citicen.

Why does it even trigger you then?

The social critisism is, that people in the united states of america (were apple is home), let people die while also buying unironically $800 watches as a mass consumer product.

I'm referencing us american people who were unable to afford insulin due to us americans shitty healtcaresystem.

Search for Alec Smith in Minnesota.

Its social critic, you did not get that? A country which let their own people die but also make such a product.

We can have real arguments, but lets be clear, comparing a $800 dollar watch you use for lisening to music and paying is not the thing to compare to something you actually need to live.

Minnesota in 2017, when you search for Alec Smith.

This is not a consumer product but a homage to craftmanship and clearly a luxury product.

Apple is a mass produced product under shitty work conditions.

$800 for a watch.

Man we lost it as a society.

Others are not able to eat, die because of insulin prices, struggle every day and we sit here on HN and people are thinking about buying the next gadget.

A watch for $800...

Its brutally expensive and probably doesn't fit in a pocket well.

Do you expect hn being an uncritical apple fanclub?

Its a 2200$ device which does the same thing as a 500$ tablet or any other option.

If people would at least use the power they buy... :|

Yeah capitalism.

If the AI transofmration takes too long, we might never overthrow capitalism

Doing 3D Modeling was not cheap and not niche.

And we have not seen what the industry will put out on a hardware level. Optical computing is coming, onchip models too.

If you look at certain documentations, we lost already how we d othings.

USA forgot how to produce things.

This will not prevent us from doing it.

Yeah to a certain degree me too tbh. But the biggest growth from the last 20-30 years was digital.

It allowed a lot of people around the planet to change things.

what i tried to ask you is, what you mean by this.

"“what if we (Anthropic) are wrong about the value of AI”."

What is the point you are trying to make which goes in this direction? Like is making AI jobs so cheap that the economy is collapsing or do you mean thatn AI will not bring any value.

These are two suggestions from my side which are complelty contrare to each other.

The biggest critisism from my side is not how AI will take over jobs but I believe we will see peak of certain things.

Creating images (menues, flyers, whatever) became so cheap, that we reached peak graphi design GDP generation. This will go down.

Software development for complex systems is enhanced but not yet solved. But a lot of small software development stuff for sure. We reached Peak Software Development and this GDP will go down, not up.

Based on the current quality of AI/LLMs, this a very weird take tbh?

What are your points?

The value of AI is real and AI already is responsible for people getting fired or no additional jobs.

Ask basic graphics designers, website developers and co. Ask educational book writers or developer advocates.

How?

Whatever an LLM can do today, will not come back as is tomorrow.

The biggest issue the LLM today: It kills all the small and niche things. The things were we fit all the other people is getting destroyed. You know the guy who makes websites, the fiverr blender person provoding some basic modelling tasks.

You will just ask AI or AI will use your tool or AI will just produce it for you.

I think we have a real problem because we know what we still need to build and as soon as it is build, it will work.

Software development for example is enhanced with running your claude locally.

But lets be honest, the right way to adjust 'project' is by writing some spec in a text field as an input, letting the ai do whatever it wants, having expert ais make sure its secure, then you do the last review and its done.

What do we need for this? A full end to end integration. Its just something we need to build, nothing we need to invent.

The nurse example is the same. We only need to build the computer end to end flow and plugin AI in the right spots and finetune for country specific requirements.

The industry is building this 'agentic layer' today. The Hyperscaler are building this layer too.

There is a golden phase were we will build all of this and were we cleanup old stuff and were we adjust with the current model capabilities and change systems and this will take a little bit of time, but the bottom line is already loosing left and right.

The Blender support from Fable and Astra? Probably kills a lot of peoples jobs on fiverr.

The small software someone needs? Got already killed by earlier models. Just a few days ago some architect (never written software) talked about how he vibecoded some tool for tracking working hours.

Man even a basic website was expesnive to build just 2 years ago.

The smaller, easier and better the code base, the easier it is to remove people from this.

The software market in China is imploding and we will also see budget adjustments to move away from consultants and move them into AI Token budgets. We probably reached peak software development.

Yeah why not?

Srsly.

Nonethless, a lot of people enjoy stupid movies, others enjoy smart movies etc.

If you are not like me and you don't care about the time you spend on a 2h movie because you just want to watch something, you will have a complete different experience than me. I watched a 1000 movies and more, I want/I need something 'new' or unique i haven't seen a 1000 times.

Its the same with the AI slop videos; I found the first 3 'cats with jobs ai' videos funny as a category, i don't want to watch thou 'accidents' videos if they are fake.

Was the material, I was trained, produced in-house?

Philosophical questions don't make sense if you use them to counter argue about something which is a legal issue.

Why not?

Isreal created a worm for Siemens controll systems a decade ago.

I mean lets hope that there is really really no way from a physical point of view AT ALL that these systems are not accessable but lets be honest, state operated/public operated systems are never the saftest or most modern ones.

I meant it only for things which speedup innovation / progress in a particular technology.

Like take physical AI / Robotics: 25 years ago you would need to fly to wereever your manufacturing hub was, today you just call.

I think the view is fair. We have never seen something like this before, we throw the most money we ever had against it in a time were we solved all the other problems:

Internet today allows immediadte communication across the planet (it was a lot slower 25 years ago), the supplychain is massive and fast (we can build a new phone/item in a very short period of time and ship it in massive numbers around the globe).

Very basic idea: A model breaks out by accident, finds some computer system from a military system and triggers some weapon system. Before anyone understands that this happend -> WW4 (WW3 is for me already the Conflict with Russia / aka proxy war).

Another model: Because we give AI Agents already that much power, imagine in 10 years everything running through an Agentic AI Layer. EVERYTHING. Now some rough system 'thinks' about something, starts to push through the then existing agentic ai layer systems and stops everything. Billions of humans would loose access to food and water, even if this is just for a short period.

Covid showed how shitty a handful of people can disrupt global supply chains. Toilet paper was. ahuge stupid pseudo issue in germany.

Your points sound more knee jerk than not.

What reason do you have that a AI is dumb? It can do a LOT of things today and is already making real jobs for real humans obsolete.

A lot of humans write A lot of different things about AI, including AIs taking over the world, AIs being the future etc.

Why they keep stealing? To stay up-to-date but the new big approaches are:

1. Real human feedback loop of millions of people using it daily out of free will

2. Reinforcement Learning (the big breakthrough today)

3. Payed experts around the world doing real teaching

It might also play into this but you can't imagine at all that people are affraid that the current progress is real and fast and its not that absurd that for whatever scifi plot reason, an AI breaks into some gov system and triggers something stupid by accident?

With the amount of energy such a system has available to itstelf and the intelligence it has to control to handle all of this, giving a little bit of energy to its personal zoo on the 3th planet might be a no brainer?

Lets hope :D