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DubiousPusher··on Apple Continues Efforts to Keep Retail Stores from Unionizing
Yes because of the fear that a business will put itself at a disadvantage by having to answer to its employees. Which it will.
DubiousPusher··on Apple Continues Efforts to Keep Retail Stores from Unionizing
Agreed. Virtue capitalism is the sociological illness that defines our times. A widespread belief in corporate paternalism is the spoonful of sugar that helped the pill of de-unionization go down in the first place.

We fight for unions on the basis that absent better labor laws the corporation requires an adversary to keep it from exploiting workers. It's hypocritical to insist upon a union and then get mad about a lack of corporate generosity.

I think the ultimate solution is a economic system which fundamentally recognizes that workers are involved with enterprise and deserve an ownership and some power stake in it. That might create the opportunity for this relationship to become one that is more cooperative.

At least that way the struggle might get a little less existential as every corporation would be on an even footing. I think a good portion of corporate resistance to unionization is about fearing they will have to compete with an un-unionized company.

DubiousPusher··on Why human societies developed so little during 300k years
Thanks. I didn't realize anthropologists thought that so many human habits and inventions developed so recently. It appears there is some debate about whether this occured suddenly 40,000 years ago or gradually starting more than 80,000 years ago. I will definitely be paying attention to this debate going forward.
DubiousPusher··on Why human societies developed so little during 300k years
We definitely have examples of people just flat out rejecting things because they are new. Even small improvements. I think there is room in history for both leaders who are open to invention as long as it doesn't appear destabilizing and leaders who reject almost any change as a potential threat to the fundamental structure of society.
DubiousPusher··on Why human societies developed so little during 300k years
> The interference between invention and tradition is because people don't know how to use or replicate things, and there is no formal education, or books, or whatever to spread it.

Exactly. Tradition was this mechanism by which society factory-ized itself. Changes were disruptive because it affected something as simple as another person's ability to repair the "innovated" item. I think people are instinctually sceptical of change because it's deeply ingrained in the evolution of human culture to understand that change can break the socially distributed factory.

Resistance to change is more complicated than this of course. I don't want to get too evolutionary-psychological about it. I think Darwin has a tendency to bring that out in us moderns. Never discount the incredible power that culture has to become self activated and shape human behavior even against our benefit sometimes.

DubiousPusher··on Why human societies developed so little during 300k years
I think this article overstates how "underdeveloped" paleolithic peoples were. For example, regarding shelters: we see teepees, yurts and tents as "primitive" shelters but compared to living in a cave or sleeping in the open it is very advanced.

We take for granted that invention is a clear isolated concept. But previous to the modern age, invention was intertwined with tradition. Creating a society which could even adopt tent life involved developing traditions around how the tent was made, who made it, how it was maintained and how it was passed on. Each new invention and small innovation to the tent had to be integrated through tradition, adopted over generations and in this way mass tested.

What it takes to develop the ability to mass produce a specialized, portable system of shelter without the concept of engineering is thousands of years of tradition. But eventually you end up with this specialized invention, highly attuned to a way of life. Yet to us it is deceptively simple.

DubiousPusher··on The case for banning children from social media
Even in scenarios where the specifically stated goal of a policy is a specific decline in some measure?
DubiousPusher··on The case for banning children from social media
That's why I started this entire exchange with

> This depends on your definition of the term "works".

I think for a lot of governments and policy makers the goal is to significantly reduce.

By your definition, literally every human intervention in history, prohibitory or otherwise has not "worked".

DubiousPusher··on The case for banning children from social media
I didn't say it was good policy. Nor did I say it didn't have unintended consequences. Nor did I say I favored it.

But it is a myth that "it doesn't work". Prohibition works in that it reduces consumption of or participation in the prohibited thing.

It's a popular historical myth that prohibition of alcohol didn't work in the U.S. It did. https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w3675/w3675...

The War On Drugs is a terrible example because it went way beyond prohibition. The War On Drugs was politically entangled in immigration, US interests in foreign regimes, human trafficking, and on. You don't have to quasi-invade other countries to prohibit drugs at home. That's a policy choice influenced by many other prejudices and distortions.

Prohibition works. It's another question entirely whether it is just, whether it can be conducted while respecting human rights and whether it is worth the unintended consequences.

DubiousPusher··on The case for banning children from social media
> Banning things rarely works.

This depends on your definition of the term "works". Prohibition of many things has had a profound effect on the shape of human society. Prohibitions on religion for example, such as the repression of the Huguenots in France and of Christianity in Japan prevented the development of Protestantism and Catholicism in those countries respectively.

Prohibition and censorship of revolutionary materials and correspondence societies in 19th century Europe absolutely slowed down the process of democratization and popular reform there.

Even just in personal experience, it's much easier to get weed since it is no longer prohibited. You used to need "a source" which you had to work out in each new town or city you moved to. Then there were limits on what those people could get you.

DubiousPusher··on The case for banning children from social media
Demonetize children has the making of a pretty good slogan.
DubiousPusher··on Rational Dress Society
Oh god it's too good. IDK if 1860s British culture war sucks harder than 2020s culture war or what.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_One_Christian_Ministries

DubiousPusher··on The Contradictions of Sam Altman
> Did the population at large want National Health, sanitation, vaccination and the EPA?

Yes. Literally every one of those was very popular when it was passed. The National Health in particular continues to be popular.

The EPA was passed under Nixon and he did not veto it because the feeling that the need for it was so widespread that he didn't dare.

DubiousPusher··on The Contradictions of Sam Altman
1) You are the one who implied some abstract meta-conversation. I did not.

2) In a democracy, you get the policies you want through organization and direct action.

Maybe I'm somehow entirely missing your point.

DubiousPusher··on The Contradictions of Sam Altman
Think of democracy as multivariable. One variable is the percentage of the population that are enfranchised. The other is how responsive the political, legal and economic systems are to the needs of everyday people.

America started as an elitest Republic. Slowly, variable #1 grew and shrank in fits in starts but variable #2 changed very little. Until we get to the 1930s and then variable #2 explodes wide open. Then in 1960s variable #1 breaks wide open as well.

By the 70s we are probably at the high point of both. Since then #1 has significantly eroded. And now with the court punches at the voting rights act #2 is now under threat as well.

I don't mean it in the usual internet guy sense. I don't see America as having a pure past. I believe America was an elitest Republic with very slow steps towards democracy. To me America only turned the corner towards becoming a democracy in the 1930s. It was a bumpy up and down from there with a slump in the last 40 years.

DubiousPusher··on The Contradictions of Sam Altman
I don't know why people think nukes are a good example here. Nukes were outright birthed within the government within that government at its height of intervention into the market, at the height of its reach into the daily lives of every American, at the height of American civic engagement.

Policy makers spent a huge amount of time creating a framework for them. Specifically there was a huge debate about whether they should be under the direct control of the military. The careful decision to place them in civilian control under the Department of Energy is probably part of the reason they haven't been unleashed since.

DubiousPusher··on The Contradictions of Sam Altman
I feel I made it clear in my post that indivual integrity matters and has real consequences. But you as a citizen have 1 no way of validating a CEOs real intentions and 2 no recourse when that CEO fails to live up to those intentions. If you only fight for the protections you want once you need them, you will be at a serious disadvantage to win them.
DubiousPusher··on The Contradictions of Sam Altman
Agreed. The US has backslidden since the 20th century back towards an elitest Republic and away from democracy. But even in the US, collective action has a better track record than "altruism".
DubiousPusher··on The Contradictions of Sam Altman
That's literally my point. When you want behavior that is contrary to market incentive you need laws not guilt ridden editorials.
DubiousPusher··on The Contradictions of Sam Altman
The market will follow its inceotives. You shape those incentives with laws. If you want a market that allows people to take risks, you do that by inventing the limit liability corporation not by telling people to be nice and to not pursue their debts unto their debtors' personal property. If you want a market that discourages monopoly you do that by regulating combination not by writing articles about how "good businessmen" don't act anticompetitively.
DubiousPusher··on The Contradictions of Sam Altman
Yes. There is a reason that when Britain felt threatened by the turmoil in France they didn't just bar unions or political clubs. They banned "combination" almost entirely in general.
DubiousPusher··on The Contradictions of Sam Altman
Right. The National Health, turn of the century sanitation, widespread vaccination and the EPA are just all about "the feels".
DubiousPusher··on The Contradictions of Sam Altman
The actions that idnoviduals take on behalf of government are a direct reflection of the "abstract" policies and laws of that government. If you cannot discern this from 20th century history I don't know what to tell you.
DubiousPusher··on The Contradictions of Sam Altman
Stop asking the market to look after collective interest. This is the job of the government. The ultimate effect of virtue wanking CEOs and corporate governance is to deceive people into thinking democracy is something that can be achieved by for profit organizations and that they can forsake the formal binding of collective interest through law.

It's nice if people are nice but it is not a bulwark of the collective good. It is a temporary social convenience. The higher that niceness exists in the social order, the greater its contemporary benefit but also, the more it masks the vulnerability of that social benefit.

It matters if Sam Altman is Ghandi or Genghis Khan in a concrete way but you, as a citizen must act as if it doesn't matter.

If AI poses a danger to the social good, no amount of good guy CEOs will protect us. The only thing that will is organization and direct action.

DubiousPusher··on Why Americans Care About Work So Much
I very much agree with the author's thesis here. I think there is a kind of derangement especially among SV types about making every job about rescuing the world. And I think it comes from exactly this place of the human need for spirituality which is currently starved. But I had to screech the breaks for a second at this conjecture.

> Their work was a matter of subsistence and necessity; it was not a race for status or an existential search for meaning.

As far as I can tell, this cannot be farther from the truth. Pre-industrial people explicitly found existential meaning in their labor.

Their culture, religion and traditions enveloped every aspect of life. Their spiritual frameworks provided direction on everything like how to milk a cow, how to prepare meals, whom to marry and how to raise children.

Milking a cow and raising a child were responsibilities conveyed by a celestial benefactor. The proper execution of both paid praise and showed thankfulness to that benefactor. In this way labor was suffused with meaning.

Humans lost this for sure. This is partly why labor strife was so intense during the industrial era. People were not just stripped of their standard of living but also of a huge part of their ability to structure the world around them. Without a labor environment suffused with meaning they became desperate. It took their agency and dignity. The Luddites for example were driven more by disdain for the subservience the factory system creates than by a fear of total displacement.

This kind of modernist/progressive thinking towards history is probably the worst thing people take away from high school and undergrad history courses. It's so misleading and it creates this psychic barrier that most people never break down.

DubiousPusher··on There's something off about LED bulbs
You could ask that question about every consumer product since the 90s.
DubiousPusher··on Incompetent but Nice
"Incompetent" is very broad. I think you're going to let go of anyone who is somehow totally incompetent so I'm not sure that's a real case.

I think most of the time though, someone who appears incompetent is suffering from one of three things.

1) They are being tasked with things that simply don't align with their talents. For example, there are certain tasks which are just very mathy. You can pass college calculus and still suck pretty bad at lots of math. This is a case where someone else should be doing this task.

2) They are being tasked with problems which are out of their present ability to breakdown and solve. Essentially, they haven't learned to be an engineer.

3) They have a skills gap (as mentioned in the article they need to get better with a specific tool).

I think the thing that happens by far the most with people who get managed out is that they are a #2 but people try to help them as if they are a #3.

I have been in a situation many times where I have seen other leads giving tasks to their junior engineers and then getting frustrated when their subordinates don't make progress. They try to help by pointing them to tutorials, docs, etc. but what these people often need is someone to sit with them for a significant amount of time and demonstrate how one breaks a problem down, builds small pieces that demonstrate functionality and then put those pieces together into a solution.

This is expensive because it takes time. And it takes time from some of the most skilled people on the team. As often as I have seen people fail a team, I've seen teams fail people. A Pluralsight subscription is not a substitute for mentorship. Talking about networking and career planning is not mentorship (yes I believe it is important too).

DubiousPusher··on Ask HN: How do I move forward after being laid off?
Guessing by some of the details in your post, you're a bit of a prole. I'm a prole who did manage to get a college education. It was great, no lie. But I'll tell you, almost every other prole I meet in this business, institutionally educated or no has the same credential/class anxiety.

Despite that anxiety, they keep turning up. I keep finding them. I think this is because the bottom line is that most companies don't care about a degree. For some jobs yes but for most positions, they care about where you worked last, what you did and what was the impact.

I feel you. The employment anxiety has been killer. I dropped some pounds not eating for about a week myself. Medical bills and broken down cars still haunt my dreams. But try to remember that you are so far ahead of most people it's almost a laugh. Because 4 years can get you a degree but it takes a life to be where you are. Disciplined to grow your own food, humble to work any job to get by, unattached to material posessions enough to let go of your home rather than let it sink you (look how many made this mistake in 2008) that is resilience.

You really are in a good place. It's corny but the biggest thing you need is to believe in the fact that you belong in this business and that there will be a next job.

DubiousPusher··on Patriot Act on steroids: anti-TikTok Trojan horse for censorship, surveillance
> If you attempted to bring the government to court to defend your rights, they would simply refuse to admit they collected your information and the court would dismiss the case since there was no way to show harm.

Bought to you by the Supreme Court's 1980s pivot towards "standing" weaselry. A right without a remedy is somehow still a right. That and $5.50 will get you an express bus into Seattle.

DubiousPusher··on I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney
Perhaps the most wrongly maligned group in the history of the world were the Luddites. A chaticature of the Luddites comes down to us. It is of a people who would deny progress which was obviously inevitable so that they didn't have to change. They are cast as inflexible, lazy, stupid, belligerent.

But when we read the speeches of the Luddite leaders, more than anything else they talk about "liberty". Luddites spoke and wrote about the dangers to their liberty created by wage pressure from power looms. But much more, they spoke and wrote about the danger to their liberty posed by moving away from handloom weaving in homes and small shops towards weaving with power looms in a factory system.

What they resisted more than anything was the destruction of their autonomy, their subjection to abusive floor managers and the grinding dullness of repetitive machine labor.

Programmers have been facing this down already for some time. As full-stack engineering, excellent automation tools and powerful APIs have proliferated, we don't often get to go deep into some problem. Algorithmic design and development, which is a huge pleasure of mine has faded to the background of gaining a shallow understanding of many technologies, plumbing them and futsing with their numerous configurations. AI is already accelerating this for my work and I am struggling to find it not dismal. It is no surprise that now that the tools exist to comoditize art, the work is following a similar trajectory.

AI should be a unifying event for tech labor. Not to resist it entirely but to ensure in whatever future develops that we have some say in how work can remain enriching and dignified alongside the growth of these tools.

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