FirmwareBurner

Only if by that you mean equal opportunities for everyone.

But if you mean equal outcomes, then you're guaranteed to get USSR/Cuba/Venezuela poverty, famines and shortages, and even there that didn't fix the issue of the elites being super wealthy, it just made everyone else equally poor.

People will never end up equal no matter how many thumbs the government puts on the scale, that actually makes it so much worse.

Isn't this because most of Asia has just copied the western capitalist housing asset monetisation scheme with Japan being the only exception?

Why move the goalposts? I was just fact checking you on your claim that UK removed access to low paid workers after Brexit when clearly they didn't, in fact they doubled immigration when you look at post-Brexit numbers, that's all. Whether huge immigration is good or not I didn't and won't get into.

Spare me your generosity, because I'm bringing receipts.

  | Year | UK Immigration (K/000s) |
  |------|-------------------------|
  | 2014 | 630 |
  | 2015 | 630 |
  | 2016 | 650 |
  | 2017 | 617 |
  | 2018 | 580 |
  | 2019 | 677 |
  | 2020 | 616 |
  | 2021 | 1,100 |
  | 2022 | 1,200 |
  | 2023 | 1,326 |
  | 2024 | 948 |

It's not all about labor cost. For example some big companies opened large offices in Germany not because labor there is cheaper or smarter, but because they're the biggest regulator in Europe so hiring a lot of people there is a good way to gain political favoritism at EU level.

But yeah, if you want bang for the buck workers that take Jira tickets as input and churn out git commits, you can't beat eastern Europe.

They replaced that with ease by issuing work visas to whoever wanted.

Government law enforcement says.

>There is only one party here who acted in bad faith, and it wasn't Hyundai.

Oh, so you were there present witnessing the arrests, and then you managed to check their visas to confirm Hyundai was 100% squeaky clean?

Then why aren't you with Hyundai suing the US government for abuse. Lawyers will have a field day with this if what you say is true.

>In fact, this party has a — by now well-established — track-record of precisely this bad behaviour. They haven't even tried to hide their actions, only their individual faces. They've been public about their disdain for the law, for humanity, and their general evil plans.

If you're talking about the evil Chaebol Hyundai here, then you'd be right, as it indeed has a very poor track record for legal violations:

### Hyundai Motor Group Controversies (Korea & International)

  - *Korea: Embezzlement (2006–2007)*  
  Chairman Chung Mong-koo got a suspended sentence for embezzling ~$106M for bribes and family control. Exposed chaebol corruption.

  - *Korea: Labor Disputes (Ongoing, peaked 2014–2016)\*  
  Violent strikes over wages and conditions cost $2.4B in production. Unions criticize Hyundai's autocratic management.

  - *Korea: Whistleblower Retaliation (2016–2017)*  
  Engineer Kim Gwang-ho exposed safety defect cover-ups, faced retaliation, and sparked U.S. probes and recalls.

  - *Korea: Family Succession Feuds (1990s–2010s)*  
  Chung family power struggles led to splits and nepotism allegations, highlighting chaebol governance issues.

  - *International: Fuel Economy Fraud (2012–2014)*  
  Hyundai/Kia overstated MPG for 1M+ U.S. vehicles, paid $300M in fines and credits.

  - *International: Diesel Emissions Cheating (2015–2022)*  
  Accused of using defeat devices, Hyundai settled for $192M in the U.S. and recalled millions globally.

  - *International: Safety Defects (2010s–2020s)*  
  Engine fires and brake issues led to 3M+ U.S. recalls and $100M+ in fines, tied to whistleblower claims.

Everyone I talk to from several EU countries feels the same: today we're an a much lower point than 10 years ago. Hell, where I am now in Austria, the country is the only one in EU with a GDP decline compared to last year, and a stagnation like UK would actually be an improvement lol.

Salaries in general have barely grown since 10 years with inflation adjustments, but housing is up several times compared to 10 years ago. Those I know who bought houses around 2014 keep thanking their lucky star since they admit they wouldn't be able to purchase the same home at the value of today on their wages of today.

I think the situation in Canada is exactly the same or maybe even worse.

So nobody in the west that I know of, thinks the situation is better now than 10 years ago. UK is no different than the rest of the west but they have this feeling that they are.

Firstly, where do you see me cheering for that? I never said I approved of that. I was explaining how things work from the perspective of the people living there since they're less likely to be here commenting on HN.

Secondly, who is this "most of you", you claim to hate? I am not even from the US and don't approve of that, I was explain you the thought process of the people who approve of that, since it's simple and quite obvious. Your hate for me is unfounded.

> Cheered because workers are publicly humiliated.

I'll explain you again why the people there cheered. Put yourself in their shoes, you have no good education, no work opportunities, nothing, and suddenly when a factory opens in your town but instead of you getting jobs there, you see foreigners without working visa getting jobs there. Wouldn't you also cheer when you see law enforcement taking them away chains for the unfairness you perceive? To them it doesn't matter all the things you explained here about knowledge transfer and shit, that is irrelevant, what matters is that there's job opportunities that go to outsiders and not to them and they feel wronged by the system so seeing people in chains gives them a sense of retribution.

I can't believe I have to explain it several times, such basic stuff like the 'crabs in a bucket' mentality and why they cheer for such events unfolding. Are people THAT oblivious to this fact of life?

HN users aren't above this themselves. You'll see the same mentality crawl out of them if they're struggling to land jobs but see companies hiring H1B workers instead.

> That's what your country looks like from the outside.

Again, not my country, but if you asked the people there they will agree with my interpretation of the things because it's just basic human psychology.

No need to worry though. Hyundai will also give a "gift" to Trump just like Tim Cook's $300k 24 karat solid gold Apple stand, and Trump will make everything go back to normal and everyone wins. Trump got to look tough to voters by parading foreigners in chains and Hyundai gets to keep making money in the US like before. It's how business is done in banana republics.

OK good point. But then why hasn't Hyundai US management made sure to get their imported workers legal visas or that the people they hired had their visas up to date? Surely when you're running a business visa and immigration laws is another one of the things on your checklist, similar to having to follow OHSA laws, fire safety, fire drills, first aid, diversity and sensitivity training, etc and all the other stuff companies operating in the US have to follow.

Also be aware, my original comment was target that person's comment specifically, not the issues from the article.

Who determined it is infeasible and how was it determined? Show me the data and the process that lead to this conclusion. It's a car assembly plant, not a semiconductor fab that requires niche advanced degrees only available in Taiwan.

Surely the required labor can be found across a country of 300 million people, or easily trained from other adjacent fields that have lost workers due to economic driven redundancies or who want to switch careers for whatever reason.

>Then, when these places stay poor, they'll blame foreign governments, Democrats, "bureaucrats in DC"

Why shouldn't they be blamed? They're the ones telling their voters at election times that there'll be a factory opening where they live and then the voters rejoice and think "woo-hoo, more jobs for us" but then the bureaucrats are like "well, actually, those jobs will go towards imported foreigners, not to you, because you're not qualified enough or some other bullshit reason" and then the voters will clap back with "well I'm a product of YOUR education system mf-er, so it's YOUR fault that I'm not qualified enough". If you were them, wouldn't you be pissed too?

Funny how HN likes to criticize and gaslight people that it should be societally acceptable that foreigners being brough to take manufacturing jobs from locals, but they throw a hissy rage fit when H1Bs are being brough to the US to take their cushy tech jobs. Hypocrisy much?

Edi: love the empty angry downvotes with no explanation and no counter arguments simply because my detailed argument goes against the narrative. Means I'm right.

Entification will only continue from here on both parties since they've achieved duopoly status, so as a customer you can only pick the lesser of two evils.

That's why doctors in my country still prefer legacy physical pen and paperwork, versus interactions with the modern digitized equivalents which are universally hated because they're not designed by doctors but by some consultancy who won the government tender.

Adding dealing with an unfamiliar OS and Wine on top of that is not the slam dunk you think it is.

Seems like a lot of effort and fanfare for such a niche market.

Their office buys their stuff from a supplier which ships them a Windows box with all the batteries included.

Of course it doesn't sound bad but what do you do when you run out of money to pay for it?

Do we decide policies based on what sounds good or what we can actually afford? Because getting paid to do nothing but our hobbies would sound even better.

But hey, if you wanna give boomers luxury retirement while immolating the economic prospects of future generations of workers in order to pay for it, go for it.

If you build/design your products here then you use EU's trained labor, EU's infrastructure, EU's legal system, EU's defense, etc. then you should pay your fair share to support these facilities that help you be a billion dollar corporation.