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I do know what these terms mean in a legal context. I am claiming that play integrity is an anticompetitive and monopolistic tool, of which VW decided to use. I am not claiming VW is a monopoly. What you are claiming is their right to do, is not their right at all, and is illegal.
Contrary to popular belief, exploitation of vulnerable devices is a lot more common, and a lot easier than people pretend it is. You dont need to be targeted either, mass exploitation can, has, and will occur.
LineageOS does not have privacy, security, or usability comparable to GrapheneOS. LineageOS is missing many important features and falls behind android updates. GrapheneOS will be the far better choice in all 3 of these categories.
The features GrapheneOS provides, such as the network permission, cannot be replicated with a firewall app. The network permission properly covers all forms of network access for an app, where firewall apps do not have the ability to prevent all network communication. They are leaky.
The AGNSS servers and proxies are very, very tiny aspects of what GrapheneOS provides. You would be losing out on many more high impact privacy, security, and usability features.
Root access and an unlocked bootloader are insecure, even for low threat models. These devices are vulnerable and should not be used for any sensitive data.
LineageOS is not the better choice for any privacy, security, or usability usecases relative to GrapheneOS.
Play integrity is an anticompetitive tool that ignores this, and artificially limits itself on GrapheneOS. It is not due to any incompatibility.
Tools such as play integrity are illegal. Using anticompetitive and monopolistic tools is not the right of application developers.
The issue is not that this application isnt tested on GOS, its that an anticompetitive, illegal tool is being used to ban non-certified OSs when these apps would work perfectly otherwise.
GrapheneOS is also not responsible for bugs in this app. Any bug reports coming from GOS are likely to be from the hardening toggles, which uncover bugs in the app. This is the apps fault, and these bugs still exist on other OSs. It should be resolved for the benefit of all users.
Dont let their boilerplate responses fool you, tools like play integrity only serve to push anticompetitive practices. The claims about not being able to support GOS are nonsense, and all they did was break existing support.
Oh, and Android 17 has been released so there is hype for that.
Motorola has stepped up to meet the baseline requirements for GrapheneOS support, and we should get Motorola devices with official GrapheneOS support next year.
Other OEMs can make devices that meet the requirements, and Motorola is doing just that. We should get Motorola devices with official GrapheneOS support next year.
There is nothing crazy about doing something properly.
GrapheneOS is often better for testing apps due to it being trivial to test with and without google services, most of the hardening options can be used for debugging and provide a crash log to determine what failed, and there is an easily accessible log viewer available in app info.
CalyxOS is not a private or secure operating system. They have added several 3rd party apps and services, which includes several 3rd party connections. On top of this, several of these services are given problematic, privileged access.
A notable example of this is Android Auto. CalyxOS grants substantial privileged access to this component by default, while GrapheneOS sandboxes it, and exposes 4 opt-in toggles for privileged access. The user may granularly decide what privileged access they wish to grant.
GrapheneOSs App Store is present to fulfil the role of the first party appstore that AOSP requires. It also serves to provide updates to first party apps out-of-band, and mirror apps for various case-by-case reasons.
Accrescent is mirrored due to it having a focus on privacy and security. It is currently in alpha and app submissions are closed. They will be open Soon:tm:.
Google play is mirrored for app compatibility with apps that require google play, and for access to the playstore.
The GrapheneOS community favors Obtanium due to its ability to fetch developer-signed apps from places like Github. Fdroid signs and builds nearly every app on the main repository with outdated build infrastructure and poor moderation.
GrapheneOSs security model inherits and builds upon the AOSP security model.
GrapheneOS has a requirement of a 5-7 year support window from an OEM.
Used is a gamble due to improper OEM unlocking practices, so make sure it has a good return policy and try to verify OEM unlocking is accessible if you purchase used.
Take your reply as an example, the GrapheneOS accounts are managed by multiple people, so the fixation on one specific project member may not even be accurate to the discussion. Having ones character attacked is immensely harmful on its own, but being attacked for something one may not even be doing is also immensely harmful.
The unfortunate reality is that people tend to believe the first thing they read, and without something countering it, will roll with it, intentionally or otherwise. So countering misinfo efficiently and quickly is vital.
As for how such a thing would not be possible;
-GrapheneOS updates do not trust the network, so any compromise of update servers for OS and app updates would not be able to push malicious updates. Only those who hold the signing keys are capable of pushing updates that will be accepted.
-Multiple people review the code that gets included in the OS. There is not one point of failure when it comes to social engineering.
-GOS supports reproducible builds, so the code that is published can be verified to be the code that is built for the official builds.
So in other words, you would need to convince multiple people who are consciously protecting against this, and who have a proven track record of burning the keys if the privacy and security of their users are in jeopardy. On top of that, you need to conceal this from every developer, moderator, and community member who would raise the alarm at the slightest indication of compromise.
I am an active chatroom member, and many people see me there on a regular basis. I choose to volunteer my time, and am not paid or compensated in any form.
I am a GOS community member and I have been for several years. I am active in the GrapheneOS chatrooms, and I choose to volunteer my time assisting others.