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Moldoteckon Swiss parliament lifts ban on new nuclear power plants

it wasn't fully state controlled enterprises in the west - state was a partial owner. For example PreussenElektra, when it built plants was a publicly traded company and during Grohnde state mostly divested from it. Plants not only reached profitability but were cheapest firm power in german merit order bringing huge profits to the owners

Moldoteckon Swiss parliament lifts ban on new nuclear power plants

Why only 40y for new nuclear? When min license is 60 for gen3 and many gen2 already got extensions to 80y. And where did you get the 100% 24/7 number? The min profitability of FLA3 doesnt assume that. And that's for an ultimately failed project which could have been much better if not EDF incompetence

Moldoteckon Swiss parliament lifts ban on new nuclear power plants

Germany is just a prime example. Germany was better off to not shut down existing plants and invest in ren+nuclear to retire leftover fossils. It's also fascinating to hear the "horrifyingly expensive" statement. Germany spends on EEG equivalent of one failed french nuclear project each year. It also spends the same on transmission to acomodate distributed generation. And also plans to expand gas. Anyone suggesting German path is sane/correct and expanding nuclear is the worst decision ever loves fossils more than nuclear - as simple as that.

"Who cares if the emergency reserves are fossil gas when we still need to decarbonize agriculture, construction, aviation, industry, maritime shipping and so on?" - many.

German EEG/y spending is about to increase because it's paid more frequently despite most expensive contracts being over. And for offshore this already didn't pan out well. Solar has the advantage of lower capex but will be hit too.

Moldoteckon Swiss parliament lifts ban on new nuclear power plants

nuclear is very flexible, especially with ALFC upgrades

Moldoteckon Swiss parliament lifts ban on new nuclear power plants

Ah yes, everyone is brainwashed. Sure. We see today how non brainwashed is Germany that not only is a bad polluter but plans gas expansion to firm renewables.

Nuclear requires far less overcapacity and transmission. You can cycle maintenance schedules and if country's demand is smaller, you build smaller units like Candu to make this rotation.

Moldoteckon Swiss parliament lifts ban on new nuclear power plants

PWRs are unsuitable for that

Moldoteckon Swiss parliament lifts ban on new nuclear power plants

We've heard of Germany going antinuclear and being one of the worst polluters while planning to expand gas to firm renewables because storage is not a simple challenge.

The only countries that really tried are France and Sweden and the result was stellar.

Moldoteckon Swiss parliament lifts ban on new nuclear power plants

every $ spent on not building nuclear results in higher CO2 emissions due to gas firming.

Germany plans gas expansion to firm renewables.

* Antinuclear movement resulted in DK/DE having worse emissions vs France/Sweden even today.

* Finland will give final authorization for Onkalo this summer https://qazinform.com/news/finland-set-to-launch-worlds-firs... Sweden already started construction at Fosmark. But ultimately conceptually it's not much different from Herfa Neurode

* Most of Sellafield problems are from nuclear weapon test experiments with esoteric waste, not classic commercial reactor waste.

Your list is kinda weak

Moldoteckon Swiss parliament lifts ban on new nuclear power plants

So ABWR is fundamentally expensive? So is Hualong?

"Every kw of nuclear production we create is resources we could have instead put into adding more than 1 kw of solar backed with batteries at this point. Moreover the other renewables would come online and displace fossil fuel usage faster. Thus spending money on nuclear results in a more polluted higher CO2 world, not the other way around." - what a nice nonsense argument. With the same success I can say without nuclear - if you build ren and keep fossils for firming, you'll pollute in fact more over time, because you'll still use them. That's also why DE wants to expand gas capacity. And this plan was laid out not by CDU but Fraunhofer ISE itself

Not that many died from rad exposure or cancers from power plants. I mean, depends with what you compare. Entire Chernobyl deaths are expected to be 4k or less depending on data. That's how many ppl die in Germany in 2y from car accidents. That's probably how many died from early phaseout of nuclear https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10640-025-01002-z

You are right that radioactive material still needs special handling. Just like many other toxic materials like https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj6nly288j4o

Moldoteckon Swiss parliament lifts ban on new nuclear power plants

it's perfectly fair. The goal is to have decarbonized electricity when you need it, not only randomly. Countries solve this with gas, see DE

Moldoteckon Swiss parliament lifts ban on new nuclear power plants

Nuclear was safe even considering gen2 units which were not subject to all curent requirements. But the biggest impact is supply chain, not regulation.

"Of course it is. Malicious actors can kill millions with the amount of nuclear waste generated daily." - ah yes. And a meteor can kill the entire earth. What's the possibility?

Entire US interim storage of commercial waste costs merely 0.5bn/y until a final repository is built like in Finland. That's dirt cheap.

Nuclear is statistically safe as you said, even accounting with major incidents. Nuclear requires least mining, materials, land per kwh - can be proven too and has one of the lowest env impact per UNECE.

It's your choice to be antinuclear but the data is clear - have the world followed the french/swedish path - we'll not talk about climate change in it's current form. We also know what an antinuclear path leads to - both in Germany and even Denmark which still can't reach french emissions and started pissing off neighbors montelnews.com/news/0138d712-3afd-4590-883e-4b9221fd776a/norways-ruling-party-rejects-renewal-of-denmark-cables https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/sweden-pauses-plans-...

Moldoteckon Swiss parliament lifts ban on new nuclear power plants

IT IS REPLACING. If you had nuclear plants that worked fine (highest CF globally probably after US), some even not reaching 40y (when most are extended to 60-80y) and you retire them instead of retiring coal, it means coal replaced nuclear. This is not hard to comprehend. You as a country have a choice - retire coal/gas or retire nuclear. Germany made it's choice and paid heavily https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10640-025-01002-z And now Germany must build new gas plants to replace that leftover coal

Antinuclear movement in Denmark put a ban on construction and guess what happened later? DK became one of the biggest coal consumers on the planet with newly built coal plants.

France got a bit of antinuclear frenzy too by dismantling 2 Fassenheim units to allow connection of Flamanville. All this instead of retiring the leftover gas/coal capacity.

Spain retired several nuclear units before all coal and gas capacity too.

Moldoteckon Swiss parliament lifts ban on new nuclear power plants

Germany has coal and no nuclear? Each MW of closed nuclear could have erased that coal. As simple as that. You can come with mental gymnastics but it doesnt change the fact Germany still has coal.

Moldoteckon Swiss parliament lifts ban on new nuclear power plants

No, it'll be stored in TerraDura just like in Onkalo or like Germany has biggest facility for toxic chemicals on the planet

Moldoteckon Swiss parliament lifts ban on new nuclear power plants

Big oil loves to dismantle nuclear like in Germany and later push for gas expansion to firm renewables like in Germany. Big oil hates when countries like France/Sweden decarbonize in record time

Moldoteckon Swiss parliament lifts ban on new nuclear power plants

If ppl vote positive, it'll probably be built just like Sweden is advancing despite Vatenfall initially being against

Moldoteckon Swiss parliament lifts ban on new nuclear power plants

It's exactly this way now - Switzerland has a healthy mix

Moldoteckon Swiss parliament lifts ban on new nuclear power plants

They don't have a huge cooling problem. It's a nonsense repeated again and again without understanding the details. In France it impacts 0.2% of annual production to save fish during a period of high overcapacity that France is eager to export. It happens only in plants without cooling tower (except Garone for it's specifics).

Even if nuclear comes after 25y it's still welcome - much better than Germany building gas plants to firm renewables

Moldoteckon Swiss parliament lifts ban on new nuclear power plants

what a nonsense. Weapons are unrelated to PWR's due to parasitic isotopes. If you want wpn you build much cheaper enrichment facility just for that.

Moldoteckon Swiss parliament lifts ban on new nuclear power plants

You do realize that existing swiss plants don't get CFD's right?

Moldoteckon Swiss parliament lifts ban on new nuclear power plants

The impact is 0.2% of annual power in France in units without cooling towers during a period of overcapacity. The statement is pure inflamatory nonsense

Moldoteckon Swiss parliament lifts ban on new nuclear power plants

not much at all

Moldoteckon Swiss parliament lifts ban on new nuclear power plants

nuclear requires least amount of materials and hence imports per kwh. It in fact is one of the best option.

"Nuclear will also boil over Swiss rivers and shallow lakes." - what an inflamatory nonsense. Plants without cooling towers are modulated. Plants with cooling towers have marginal impact of less than +0.2dg if we look at french Garone with 4 units.

Moldoteckon Swiss parliament lifts ban on new nuclear power plants

nobody gets a free pass but the amount of damage is incomparable. Most evacuation zones in Fukushima are lifted. Nobody died from radiation due to low dose. Chernobyl became equivalent of a protected national park where animals thrive https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20260424-chernobyl-wildli...

Moldoteckon Swiss parliament lifts ban on new nuclear power plants

So you are concerned about EDF having 50bn debt and France spending 120bn to build it's entire fleet but you are fine with Germany spending almost 400bn on EEG alone till now to have far worse emissions and still drive coal? This is your concern?

"No, that €50 billion is just what EDF is in the reds. The actual cost is much, much higher, of course. French citizens still have to pay for their electricity, after all." - french households have lower prices vs german ones per Eurostat too

Moldoteckon Swiss parliament lifts ban on new nuclear power plants

Nuclear helped France decarbonize in 90's while Germany still has coal. EDF profits are closer to 10bn, the 3bn nr is nonsense. 50bn debt with EDF ebitda means it's a healthy debt. The amount is what Germany is subsidizing EEG+transmission each 2 y. More than half of the fleet already went through Great Carenage upgrades.

Moldoteckon Swiss parliament lifts ban on new nuclear power plants

pretty much all

Moldoteckon Swiss parliament lifts ban on new nuclear power plants

EDF debt is 50bn now. And it's debt/ebitda is healthier vs german eon/rwe. Germany is subsidizing transmission+eeg by 24bn/y. I.E. Germany could repay entire EDF debt in 2y... Needless to say in capitalism debt is ok if ebitda is good, unless you think Apple is a failure

Asse was an experimental facility without a plan of what to do if experiment doesnt work out. 75% of the waste there is medical+research sectors. Nobody died from Asse incident nor will. Most of sellafield costs are from weapons testing era

Vatenfall in Sweden said this because Sweden has already cheap electricity prices due to existing hydro+nuclear. More nuclear without proper demand means losses. Still, Sweden will have new nulcear https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/articles/swedish-new-nucl...

The bottom line is France with nuclear has far lower household prices vs Germany without it, far better emissions, decarbonized far earlier, spent on entire fleet half of what Germany spent on EEG, the gap getting wider each year

you are acting like there's some race that needs to prove things. But the race already ended. A combo of ren+nuclear gives far better results. It was proven in Sweden. It was proven in France

Moldoteckon Swiss parliament lifts ban on new nuclear power plants

It's not like Germany is not subsidizing renewables and building gas plants in parallel to firm them... Entire EEG is already double the price of entire french nuclear fleet...