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Sacho··on Top colleges should select randomly from a pool of ‘good enough’ (2005)
> A true meritocracy can't really exist unless you have knowledge of all prior decisions, which is impossible.

This is a good point but your argumentation isn't really convincing. Here's a simple fix for your scenario: only use talks in your circuit as tie breaker. The other concern("possibly even the less qualified person") is an impossibility given your assumptions("all else being equal between speakers"). If you have a perfect meritocracy, and only use your own tests to measure merit, then you would maintain it.

Of course, as you said, achieving perfect meritocracy is impossible, which means we should always consider how to work around the flaws in our existing approach. I like the idea of randomization, but you have to consider that it has its own flaws - drawing from a small pool wouldnot have the desired diversifying effect, but drawing from a too large pool might introduce too many students that are not at the same academic level, with all the problems that brings. In a sense, random choice has similar problems of not being able to achieve "perfection" as meritocracy, and they would need to be balanced together.

To me, all of this concern over the admissions process of the top tier schools tells me that there's a growing need for an even more elite tier of schools. Those schools will undoubtedly have a diversity problem, but it does not sit right with me to limit the ceiling for the most academically gifted students just because most of them come from a privileged background. What this tends to do is exacerbate the problem, as the more wealthy can afford more expensive, privately tailored programs to their kids - the brilliant underprivileged kids will not have this opportunity. Just like we'll never achieve perfect meritocracy, we'll never eliminate privilege - our pursuit of equality should be tempered by the same concerns of unintended, negative consequences due to our imperfect approach.

Sacho··on The Four Quadrants of Conformism
I think the "secret police" part is a red herring. My opinion is that the federal police were justified defending the courthouse, but were not justified hunting around for suspects in vans, unmarked or not(this is the state police's job!), but I don't think too many would agree that the federal vs state divide is what's important, which is why I didn't bring it up initially. I feel the anger against the federal agents is not rooted in principle, but the principles are used as a rationalization for removing an opposing force to the protests.

Hopefully we can agree that it's well within police prerogative to prevent rioting, serious property damage(like trying set fire to buildings), possible violence. I am definitely willing to concede that Trump is a tactless brute, and sending the federal agents in like this was far from the best strategy. We could even perhaps tentatively agree that his actual goal is to disperse the protests under the guise of preventing rioting, but again, we'd have to agree first that the rioting is there.

Which brings me back to the original post - is there protesting or violent rioting? Both. Is there secret police or not? Not really - there should be police to monitor the protests and prevent the rioting. If the state police is unwilling to do it, then the federal police may have to step in, although I'd have preferred to exhaust B through Y instead of going straight from A-Z.

Sacho··on The Four Quadrants of Conformism
It's difficult, when we are in thorough disagreement of the facts.

> And not be talking about a massive police crackdown on protest

Is the police crackdown on protest or rioting? I can buy an argument that Trump hates the protests and is secretly hoping that sending the police will also disperse protesters, but on its face, do we disagree that there's rioting in Portland, and that it's the police's job to stop it?

> and the army being brought in to police civilians.

Huh?

> but some celebrity has to apologise for not saying "latinx" or whatever

This is disingenuous strawmanning. There's plenty instances of people losing their jobs for saying the wrong thing, and even a few extreme cases of people ending their lives after intense internet vitriol(although it would be equally disingenuous of me to focus on those cases and claim that cancel culture "kills people"). I don't know why parent jumps on celebrities as go-to examples - a stronger example would be academia, where political censure has been normalized for decades.

Sacho··on The Four Quadrants of Conformism
> I assume you're aware of police obscuring their badge numbers, and refusing to identify themselves?

Er, is this what you would call secret police? The article's facts may be incontrovertible, but they don't agree with your description:

"What's Undetermined

While one person said he was detained without officers identifying themselves — and another viral video was interpreted by viewers as a case of the same thing — we have no verifiable evidence to prove or disprove whether agents in those cases explained for what federal agency they worked during the arrests."

Sacho··on Editorial board of Index and more than 70 staff members resign
This is the kind of ethical and competent journalism that we are fighting for? The article is not spell checked, parts of it are gibberish, and Orban's quote is politically editorialized to fit the narrative of good guys fighting bad guys for democracy!(as if you need to editorialize Orban to make him look bad..)

The Polish Prime Minister's quote is completely butchered to the point of being gibberish:

"Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki hailed the “whole architecture of supervision” as a success." - this sounds like he's happy with the idea of supervision, which the article promptly contradicts a few paragraphs later. Here's a better writeup of what he said, from a polish news site(https://www.pap.pl/en/news/news%2C686607%2Ceur-160-bln-polan...):

"In his view, the conclusions of the summit are a great success from the financial point of view and the whole architecture of supervision over budget funds."

"The Polish PM pointed out that in the deal adopted on Tuesday there is no direct linking between the rule of law and the allocation of EU funds as earlier proposed."

OK, now it's obvious what he means - he's happy that the conclusions of the summit went his way and the architecture of supervision was scaled down or eliminated.

Here's Orban's highly editorialized quote:

"But Orban told reporters he had “thwarted and repelled” efforts to tie disbursement of funds to democratic values."

Only two of those words are actually attributed to him! The rest of the description("tie disbursement of funds to democratic values") is not Orban's interpretation of events, but Reuters'!

Here's a hungarian article(https://hungarytoday.hu/orban-govt-eur-3-bn-funding-brussels...):

"Hungary and Poland thwarted the attempt to have others decide on the funds they are entitled to, the prime minister said in a regular interview to public broadcaster Kossuth Radio"

That's a bit too neutral for Reuters, it doesn't make it sound like this a fight between "good" and "bad" guys. Of course, they could have just used any of Orban's other unhinged quotes:

"The outcome of the recent European Union summit on the bloc’s 2021-2027 budget and its pandemic recovery package in Brussels can be interpreted as the Hungarian and Polish forces having “repelled the international attack of the liberal brigades”, Prime Minister Viktor Orbán said on Friday."

(note how, while the quote is editorialized, the editorial is a passive, neutral, factual description of the events).

It's not like you can't make Orban sound like a lunatic by just quoting him straight up. From the same article:

"These are typically countries that are pro-immigration and hate us because we don’t allow them to enforce their migration policy and because Hungary stops migrants”, he said, adding that they were backed by US financier George Soros."

I agree that good journalism is sorely needed, but it's not obvious that we're getting much of it in our "real" democracies either.

Sacho··on Study: White Police Officers Not More Likely to Shoot Minority Suspects (2019)
I disagree that your question is the only important one to answer on this topic. Among other things, the study authors are seemingly trying to answer the question if more racial diversity among police would reduce the amount of shootings:

> Because racial disparities in FOIS do not vary based on officer race, hiring more diverse officers may not reduce racial disparities in FOIS. This is not to say that increasing officer diversity is without merit, as increasing officer diversity may broaden understanding of diverse communities and increase trust in law enforcement. However, these data suggest that increasing racial diversity would not meaningfully reduce racial disparity in fatal shootings

There was an NYT article quite a few years ago examining the topic of racial disparity in police departments(https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/09/03/us/the-race-g...) which contained a short blurb with a similar conclusion:

> “Even if police officers of whatever race enforce the law in relatively the same way, there is a huge image problem with a department that is so out of sync with the racial composition of the local population,”

Here's another article from the washington post on it(https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/storyline/wp/2014/08/22/...):

> Some social scientists have taken a look at the racial disparities in the behavior of officers, but the topic is still being studied. And there is hardly any research at all on whether racial disparities exist between officers when they use force. ... > From the studies that have been done, however, there’s no conclusive evidence to show that white and black police officers treat suspects differently — if anything, some of the studies show that black officers can be can be harder on black criminal suspects.

Is this an obvious conclusion? I don't think so. It only took a quick google search to find a site campaigning for police reform(https://www.joincampaignzero.org/representation) which contains a study with a different conclusion:

> Moreover, research shows police departments with more black officers are less likely to kill black people.

To me it seems like the topic is still under active research, even if there are already existing tentative conclusions - especially since the conclusions are counter-intuitive, it makes sense that the authors would want to provide more data to the subject.

Sacho··on Debt Collectors Are Transforming the Business of State Courts
Um, they literally do? In aggregate, it's a similar effect as a VC-backed company burning capital to push out competitors. You're spending money you don't have, which drives the economy, raising demand and prices. The people who don't do the same can now afford less. Then the balloon pops, and your debt is forgiven, while you've reaped all the benefits from having the extra capital that your peers didn't.

Even in a simple terms, it hurts people's sense ethical and societal obligations. Why should I deprive myself of consumption and be a responsible economic participant, when I can spend money I don't have and then have my debt forgiven?

Sacho··on Dianne Feinstein's reply to constituents' opposition to EARN IT act
That sounds ridiculous. I can totally buy that CAs don't want to vote for a republican, but don't other democrats exist?

EDIT: Looks like she's still what Californians want.

> De León's 12% was the lowest ever recorded for a candidate who advanced to the general election since California instituted its jungle primary rules in 2016. In July, De León won the endorsement of California Democratic Party at their executive board meeting in Oakland.

> On November 6, 2018, Feinstein defeated De León 54.2% to 45.8%.

Sacho··on The Troublesome Active Record Pattern
I don't see how a transaction saves you here(without locking the row), can you elaborate? In EF projects, this problem is solved through optimistic concurrency, similar to the fashion you described - a column that changes on each update is used as a canary to confirm that you're applying changes to the record you expect.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/aspnet/mvc/overview/getting...

This also has the added benefit of allowing you to issue only 1 query(just the update), instead of select + update.

Sacho··on [dead]
"Although there is no reason in theory why men could not become nurses or care-home assistants, few do."

When it's women in tech, it's obviously discrimination, but when it's men having a rough time breaking into female-dominated fields, the cause is a mystery.

"Most schools would love to have more male teachers to serve as role models for boys, but not many volunteer."

When women refuse to join tech companies despite the demand, the cause is obvious - harassment and a hostile workplace. When the same thing happens with men, it's again, a mystery.

The article goes on and on like this, laying down stereotype after stereotype and wondering why men "just can't make it", oblivious to its hypocrisy. The crowning moment is when the author proudly proclaims that men are failing at school, that maybe they're just not good enough? But when it's women that don't do well, it's obviously the Patriarchy weighing them down.

Sacho··on Half the world is now middle class or wealthier (2018)
I don't know the realities of the weird city life Americans experience, but the places I've lived in Europe make this trivial.

First off, buying groceries and cooking is a huge money saver - if you're worried about the cost of public transport, the savings you get from cooking are also on your mind - you can easily eat healthy meals with plenty of meat and vegetables and still come out x3 cheaper than fast food here(never mind having to eat out - you're looking at x5-x10!)

It doesn't take a lot of effort to cook, once you get over the mental hurdle. Most of the meals I know how to make are a variation of "put stuff in container, apply heat", all taking 10-15 minutes to prepare. Another 10 minutes of chopping up a variety of vegetables for a salad and you have meals for several days straight, if you're living alone.

Speaking of living alone, that's just not my experience. My family grew up poor, and lots of my friends lived on shoestring budgets. Everyone lived with their parents, their roommates, their new family. They shared stuff and helped each other out. The parents around the block I grew up at saved a lot of time by taking turns to invite all the neighbourhood kids for a dinner at a single place. My roommates would take turns cooking, and we'd all go on a single shopping trip during the weekend, everyone carrying bags home because taking the bus was a luxury.

I'm not saying that given a set of circumstances, there aren't people who are capable to pay for fast food, and forced into doing so. What I am saying is that these circumstances arise over a lifetime of choices(not necessarily just theirs), and at some point you have to throw up your hands and say "well, stop doing that".

Sacho··on The case for being a medical conservative
I don't know how medicine is practiced in other countries, but finding a doctor that shares your philosophy about treatment and sticking to them seems like a problem best solved at a local level.

In my country, you are assigned a GP, but can switch with a specific administrative form. There are several well-known(via word of mouth) GPs in my town that have people deliberately switching to them due to the way they practice medicine - less short-term treatment, conservative prescription of medicine(especially antibiotics and painkillers), focus on lifestyle/diet changes and regular check-ups to catch serious ailments early. The GPs will also recommend particular specialists who have a similar philosophy.

Mind you, this kind of treatment is far from controversial. I've talked to some of these doctors and a common problem they have is justifying their costs - e.g. a patient comes over, they listen to the symptoms and examine them and prescribe...toughing it out and maybe changing your diet a bit. People feel like they're not getting their money's worth("I already know that!"). There's also plenty of people who are looking for a quick fix - e.g. I'm under so much stress at work now, I just need a pill, I'll fix my life later.

There's also plenty of people who think they can follow a strict regime and make lifestyle changes, but just can't, and it ends up being a resentful relationship with the doctor(the doctor feels like the extra time they put in is wasted, the patient may rationalize the failures as the treatment just being ineffective, etc).

All of this points to me that this is something best decided on an individual basis, when the doctor and patient have a good relationship.

Sacho··on Programmers Should Plan for Lower Pay?
The answer would be: 1) they do, and 2) they can't

1) Google clearly hires plenty of people in India. Here's their new office in India, with allegedly ~10k employees: https://careers.google.com/locations/hyderabad/. The assumption that Google is only hiring "expensive american employees" vs "cheap indian employees" does not hold

2) Talking about "american" and "indian" employees is misleading. Your question could just as well be "Why not hire for $100k from <midwest> instead of $370k in CA?" At that level of salary, you're talking about attracting top talent from around the world, who are often happy to migrate. The salary is a reflection of an arms race between tech companies - the same person isn't going to opt for $60k to stay in India - they will either take a $350k job in Facebook, a $300k job in Amazon, or at worst, a $100k+ remote job to stay at home(numbers are illustrative). You simply cannot attract the same talent due to how global(and competitive) the top-end of the programming marketplace is.

Sacho··on Hepatitis C kills more Americans than all other infectious diseases combined
You'd be looking to criminalize rational behavior - a difficult and quite often counter-productive endeavour.

First, there's survivorship bias. The hospitals that eat the costs of saving lives eventually go under or can't compete with the ones that invest in better doctors, equipment and so on. What you see in the end is lots more hospitals who are willing to withhold life-saving treatments than ones that will treat anyone no matter what. We may in theory want everyone to be treated, but in practice, our market behavior of seeking cheaper treatments and better doctors sways hospital behavior as well.

Second, there's unintended consequences. A hospital going under to save some lives can have disastrous consequences on the rest of the community - non-life-threatening issues turn into fatalities with the hospital gone, leading to more lives lost than if the hospital was "cold-hearted" and "calculating". Hospitals are faced with this moral dilemma every time they do their budgeting.

Third, there's utilitarianism. Is saving one life no matter how costly the way to go? What if you can save two lives for the same price? Is saving an old person's life the same worth as saving a young one's? What about "saving" someone's life but leaving them functionally crippled, vs dealing with non-fatal conditions in people which might bring them back to full function? How should a hospital spend its finite resources?

When you mix in all these concerns with the practicalities of the situation(noone is working with perfect information, and hospital staff often has to make snap judgements), you're bound to get different outcomes, including sending people home to die, depending on how the hospital lands on this balancing act.

It's difficult enough to craft a law to deal with the moral issues, but then you also need to think of the legal issues in enforcing it, and how the enforcement could lead to further unwanted consequences. Then, purely from a utilitarian POV, think about funnelling all the costs of enforcement into a charity - which one is more effective?

Sacho··on Alienated, Alone and Angry: What the Digital Revolution Did?
Even assuming the correctness of your argument, the threat of violence only applies where it is credible. Strong bullies aren't intimidated by their victims, men generally aren't intimidated by women, and so on.

There is in fact an orthogonal effect where people will fear expression in the face of violence. Is "civilized" expression dominated by the strong better than the rudeness of online communication, where there are different power dynamics? I don't know, but I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it.

Perahps at least a portion of the "uncivilized" speech you see online is the outcry of those who are not allowed to express their opinions elsewhere.

Sacho··on Wikipedia Has Cancer (2017)
Hmm, the long timeframe makes me wary of the comparison. The problem is, the comparison holds weaker and weaker over shorter timeframes:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_... Planned spending 2019 ~92mil

https://stats.wikimedia.org/v2/#/all-projects/contributing/e... - ~130% page edits growth 2012-2019 (~35mil expenses, a 260% increase)

https://stats.wikimedia.org/v2/#/all-projects/contributing/e... - ~80% page edits growth 2015-2019 (~65mil expenses, a 140% increase)

The rate of increased page edits is closer and closer to the rate of increased expenses. I personally don't think that's a convincing argument, because I haven't seen this massive improvement in tools to justify the extra costs(most of the extra expenditure doesn't seem to be on development, anyway), but I don't think the argument can be dismissed out of hand.

Sacho··on Wikipedia Has Cancer (2017)
Sure - I would argue that bandwith costs are only a tiny fraction, and the real cost is in stewarding all the existing content(page numbers) - e.g. more servers = more admins, older content/tools need maintenance, etc.

I think what is happening here is that the server costs argument is weak as a first argument. Maybe x33 expenditure is high, but I know WP has grown, and it's hard to quantify how that growth translates into expenditure - it's easy to imagine higher reliability, more accessibility, more need for maintenance of established products and so on as WP matures. If I happen to like WP and am willing to give them benefit of the doubt, why wouldn't I trust that their engineering team knows what they're doing? You haven't established your credibility as an SRE(or enough facts) to really shake that initial goodwill.

Once I view your initial argument as shaky, I am naturally more inclined to view the rest of your arguments skeptically(or just outright ignore them).

From an outsider POV, your two strong arguments are: - I want to donate to just WP because I don't care about the rest; As the non-WP fraction of expenses grows, there will be a tipping point where the "waste" will erode my willingness to donate - Even though there are growing development costs, WP tools have stagnated, core problems aren't addressed, new features aren't being used(another signal of "waste")

I think if you lead your essay with those arguments, the server costs argument would be better received. It's much easier to comprehend "Out of $1 I donate, only $0.50 goes to WP", and as an experienced WP user you speak from a position of authority on the second point. From there, it's easier to convince me that WP is also being wasteful in server costs.

In general though, I think you need more evidence put forward to really convince an outsider that WP is wasteful - more comparisons of overall spending vs just-WP spending, more examples of development stalling or going in the wrong direction. The essay may be convincing to an insider who already is aware of the problems, but from an outside perspective it's light on evidence.

Sacho··on Open Letter to the Linux Foundation
The statements you are making now are already retreating from your initial position. "Bringing in drugs and crime" is not equivalent to "every immigrant is a criminal", which was your initial interpretation. I think it's reasonable to disagree with Trump on matters of degree and relevance, but not to wholly twist his statements or rely on divining his state of mind.

One, his statement is not qualified wrt other populations. A strong defense against a similar statement about immigrants in Germany was that the crime level of immigrant populations was of a similar magnitude to natives. Trump's argument could easily be challenged the same way.

The second way would be relevance. It's trivially true that some of the immigrants may bring in crime. Is this important to the discussion? Many decisions have adverse consequences but are still taken as a measure of overall good or moral fortitude. An example would be giving free speech to people with reprehensible ideas - while it may lead to offense and actual harm, it is argued as both a net positive good and a show of moral fortitude, that the societ is secure enough in its beliefs that it ia willing to entertain arguments striking against its core. Similarly, one could argue that Mexican immigrants bring in a net positive(it is a common trope that they are hardworking and willing to take on otherwise undesirable jobs). You could also argue that American society should have(within reason) the fortitude to accept immigrants and give them a chance to integrate and enjoy the benefits of Amercian society.

You don't need to strawman Trump to argue against his rhetoric. By far Trump's strongest political weapon has been to bait people into emotional outrage and theb turn around and use that as ammo.

Sacho··on Gitlab: don't discuss politics at work
I don't understand how any of these conversations(besides the first one, in perhaps an HR meeting), could possibly be topical at work? The company isn't paying me to preach my political agenda.

Have you also considered that while a "marginalized" person might be keenly aware, researched and emotionally invested in discussing these things, a "privileged" person may feel ambushed and distracted by these questions while they are trying to focus on work? The language and obvious expectation in many of these "discussions" is a with-us-or-against-us recruitment for the agenda, often backed up with moral blackmail(e.g. "we're fighting for our lives here and you won't even help us"). At work we try to afford each other respect, politeness and professional courtesy, but from what I've seen, these "discussions" are anything but.

I don't think imposing oneself onto other people like these "discussions" do is effective. Surely you've seen the hyperbole, the aggression and vitriol that goes with them and can imagine how it seems to someone who isn't invested in the agendas? After all you ask to not be downvoted even in your meta-discussion about the topics, what about when discussing the topics themselves?

I agree with the progressive arguments - that you can't just say "no politics in X", that politics are inherent to what you do. What I absolutely disagree with is the tactics employed, and I think they are not just ineffective, they have a negative effect on engagement. People may want to help, but they don't want to feel like they're being coerced to. People may want to discuss, but they want to do it on their terms. People may want to listen, but they don't want to be lectured.

I think this is why there is such a strong push to disengage and ignore these problems - and I agree that they are problems that need discussion and need solutions. The in-your-face unapologetic advocacy, the constant motte-and-bailey argumentation, the extreme emotional reactions to any dissention, the preaching from a perceived moral high ground - these are not a conductive environment for changing minds.

So I agree with you. I'll go even further. It's bullshit to say "no politics at work", and it's hypocritical. I will keep supporting that policy, because it's the lesser of two evils, because I think progressive strategy is counter-productive and a recipe for disaster. I'm happy to have any of these discussions, on a neutral, preferrably anonymous forum, where there is enough distance that perhaps we could have a productive argument. Work is none of those things.

Sacho··on Stallman Still Heading the GNU Project
FWIW, I fully agree with your interpretation of RMS's argument here(to be fair, I think his argument as presented was worse, but giving him the benefit of the doubt, I arrive at your interpretation). However, I don't see how that argument can be "beyond the pale of responsible discourse". This is a legit legal defense!

From what I can see, it would be an admissable defense in the Virgin Islands(strict liability for only under 13), and irrelevent in Massachusets(age of consent > 16), etc. But I don't mean to wade too deply in the legal correctness - it's quite possible I'm wrong(not a lawyer), my point simply being that I can't see how this argument is out of line, given the controversial[1] nature of strict liability, and the differing statutes from state to state and country to country.

[1] - Here's a quote demonstrating its controversial status:

> The Supreme Court proclaimed that "[t]he contention that an injury can amount to a crime only when inflicted by [mens rea] is no provincial or transient notion. It is ... universal and persistent in mature systems of law ...." Morissette v. United States, 342 U.S. 246, 250, 72 S. Ct. 240, 96 L. Ed. 288 (1952). See also United States v. United States Gypsum Co., 438 U.S. 422, 98 S. Ct. 2864, 57 L. Ed. 2d 854 (1978) (offenses that do not contain a mens rea element have a "generally disfavored status").

(Taken from https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/2336454/francis-v-gove...)

Sacho··on Stallman Still Heading the GNU Project
> The only thing I'm interested in defending is that Stallman said that Minsky couldn't have committed sexual assault if we assume that his victim "presented herself as willing"

Well, your initial argument was different (and nonsensical, which is why I tried to reinterpret it). I quote:

> He said that an underage sex trafficking victim's "plausible" apparent consent means that the people who raped her did not commit sexual assault.

The determination whether something was rape is intrinsically linked to whether something is a sexual assault(since rape is a kind of sexual assault...). If using legal terminology, your interpretation is just plainly incoherent. Otherwise, this kind of sloppy usage of terminology is exactly what Stallman was arguing against. The words "sexual assault" and "rape", outside their legal definitions, evoke quote Stallman: "moral vagueness of the nature of the criticism". This is quite clearly demonstrated by the myriad of commentary on the issue, which would blame Minsky for:

- this was strictly rape, it doesn't matter whether he knew or not

- he was recklessly careless, given the oddity of the situation, he should have done more due diligence

- he was creepy for accepting the proposal from the girl

This "accusation inflation", as Stallman puts it, leads to a classic motte-and-bailey doctrine, where one presents the strongest accusation, and when challenged, falls back to the lesser offenses, which can garner much more support. As soon as the challenger disappears, the accuser usually reverts back to the strongest accusation. I believe this is what Stallman was arguing against - if you dislike Minsky's conduct, be explicit in what you dislike about it.

Once you put both "sexual assault" and "rape" on the same side in Stallman's argument, it becomes much less controversial. Yet you characterized it as: "While I believe that what he said[2] is so far beyond the pale of responsible discourse"

How can it possibly be "so far beyond the pale of responsible discourse" if it is the legal reality in a notable number of states and many countries? This was even brought up in the mailing list, I paraphrase: "if he had sex with her, and she was a minor, it was rape - that's the law". To give examples, in Massachusetts, the age of consent is 16; in California, there is no strict liability; in the UK, there is only strict liability for children under 13.

I can imagine reasonable arguments for or against strict liability(as I already mentioned earlier), but what I can't imagine is categorically declaring that this is "beyond the pale of responsible discourse". None of your replies expanded on this point.

Sacho··on Stallman Still Heading the GNU Project
I downvoted your previous comments because I think you haven't made any progress from your initial point. I flagged this comment because it is complaining about downvotes. Having thought about it, I downvoted your initial comment as well, because I no longer believe that your interpretation of RMS's argument was in good faith. I hope this explanation of downvotes helps you.

Given good faith, I could initially respond positively to your comment. While I believe you did not phrase it well, I think there's an argument to make there - if mens rea should be part of determining whether a crime is sexual assault; I know that at least in some states, sexual assault of a minor is a strict liability offense, similar to possessing child porn. I also know that in other countries this isn't necessarily the case(e.g. in the UK there's strict liability only for ages under 13), so it is a contentious issue. Stepping away from the legality, there is an interesting philosophical discussion to be made about handling such horrific situations as child sex trafficking vs the obvious downsides of ignoring the lack of criminal intent.

Sacho··on My Talk at Microsoft
Quote from https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/javascript-trap.html

> It is theoretically possible to program in HTML and CSS, but in practice this capability is limited and inconvenient; merely to make it do something is an impressive hack. Such programs ought to be free, but CSS is not a serious problem for users' freedom as of 2019.

Sacho··on Richard M. Stallman resigns
Not so definitely, from reading the links.

The first link describes some form of sexual offense, but is only strict liability if the person is under 13. Quoting the link:

"A person(A) commits an offense if..."

"(c)either—

(i)B is under 18, and A does not reasonably believe that B is 18 or over, or

(ii)B is under 13."

The second link is an anti-prostitution offense, which does not match the theoretical example or Minsky's case, and is punishable by fine.

Sacho··on Richard M. Stallman resigns
Your argument against Stallman seems to hinge on him defending Epstein, which is something he didn't do. He was defending his late friend, Minsky. Specifically, he was unhappy with the language used to describe his conduct evoking imagery worse than the actual conduct.
Sacho··on Richard M. Stallman resigns
This source was provided by Vice in their article.

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6405929/091320191...

Sacho··on Richard M. Stallman resigns
I think you managed to perfectly exemplify the point parent is making. Stallman never argued this, but in the frenzy of outrage his points are being misconstrued and he is villified to rationalize the punishment he has received.
Sacho··on Judge Rules Terrorism Watchlist Violates Constitutional Rights
All of these cases sounds like "administrative proceedings", which according to Cornell LII, have a (somewhat controversial) history of limitation due to the 5th?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/amendment-5/a...

Sacho··on Tired of Stack Overflow
The opposite is true - the most common complaint from high-rep users, by far[0][1][2], is that there are too many garbage questions and not enough moderation.

[0] - https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/252756/are-high-rep...

[1] - https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/324072/how-to-lure-...

[2] - https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/324243/the-life-of-...

Sacho··on Big Pharma is using faux generics to keep drug prices high, critics say
That's quite scummy, but presumably the examples in the article have already lost their competitive edge? The EpiPen authorized generic was launched roughly 3 years ago.
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