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I do reside (a lot of the time), in GuangZhou, and whilst there is certainly people who are like that, I know a lot who aren't. (Much like any other country).

So I have a counter proof that your generalisation is too broad, hence why I asked for you to clarify.

My take is, (having travelled a fair amount within china). That China is very different depending on which region you are in (much like the US is). So alarm bells ring, when I see people making broad statements such as "Chinese are all corrupt".

You are essentially saying that some weird twist of the CCP causes corruption in the society, else how do you explain Taiwan, and HK? Is that what you are meaning to say? That is an interesting thesis.

Well sure, technically, blacks aren't a race either, nor are whites or indians... technically we are All "human" but these semantics don't progress the discussion.

I agree that right now, given China's recent history and current state of affairs their is widespread corruption and exploitation. If that qualifies as "cultural phenomenon" then I agree, but I don't agree it was always there, and think it is more to do with the mao/deng transition and the massive injection of wealth into china since.

This feels like a massive over generalisation (given the size of china)... Any kind of evidence of this?

Anecdotal data point: My brother taught pure math in both Australia, and the U.S (in ivy league institutions). His view is that the quality of students in Australia (largely classless given the govt subsidies education so much) is leagues above the undergrads at top ivy leagues (who are there because of $$$).

These are completely different issues (which you are simply conflating by race).

The exam mentioned in the article is THE exam. If you fail, that's it for you. You can't re-sit and you can't attend a reputable university. Your choices are the equivalent of technical colleges (few which have any reputation), working in low skill jobs, or (if you have A LOT of money) studying abroad.

Given the circumstances, I think cheating is the sensible thing to do, given their are cheaters, by not cheating yourself you put yourself at a disadvantage.

Please point me to the company BYD Stole from?

Or Tencent?

Or Alibaba?

The "copying" that you seem to be referring to, is no different to "normal business" in the US: Apple open a retail store, Microsoft open a retail store (or was it vice versa?) Is that "copying"? or is that "competition"?

Is it only copying when the parties are different races? or more controversially when one party is chinese?

It came up with that slogan before it monetized (i.e before adwords)

They don't need to store all the data if they can just compel whoever is storing it to give them access to said data. (Which seems to be what is alleged).

If it only cared about control then why wouldn't it just be doing what North Korea is doing? Why would it be working so hard to improve things?

It's not a strawman it's very pertinent.

I think you need to read Capital (Marx), before judging whether they are communist/socialist, either way they call themselves that.

I was under the impression (I could definitely be wrong) that private sales were still occurring despite the constitution. (Government policy, peoples anti-policy?) ;-)

> in light of news of widespread NSA surveilance and changes over last year the USA ain that far behind.

Oh I see, so we can just generalise about any country because the US is doing horrible things.

> It didnt take long for members of the Ministry of Truth to popup and try to "reeducate" readers regarding my earlier comments.

More wumao bullshit. Just because someone doesn't buy into the US constructed narrative of "US is good, cares about it's people and the environment, China is evil and just wants to control the world" they have to be Chinese shills...

How about showing me some data that proves I'm wrong?

EDIT: Here is some that shows I'm right:

http://www.gapminder.org/world/#$majorMode=chart$is;shi=t;ly...

So blacks/whites are in the same boat? Could never be used to say anything racist because multiple ethnicities exist within those categories... riiiiight.

I'm a little skeptical a "revolution" will ever improve things (in the short term). Revolutions are generally costly in almost every way possible. China's growth and prosperity don't seem to justify one (at this point in time).

How do villagers sell their land now? I thought market sales were already being done?

So is this another issue in china that is a result of the "mid-level" corruption?

If that is what they meant, then sure, that is what my other points in my post addressed.

What do you think a viable solution for the tier 1 cities is?

I think that's dependent on what is stored. Sure the link enables them to capture a whole lot of data, but if an agreed standard of 'tracking data' was all that was stored. I think that would be an improvement.

EDIT: Similar to how we capture credit cards. Often the provider could capture and store everything, and publish it online if it liked. But generally (due to law, and standards) they are either passed off to a payment provider or stored with a certain level of security.

> the Chinese do not give 2 shits about pollution and sustainability

Are you saying that isn't racial prejudice?

I understand you may have a grudge, but how would you describe that?

Oh I'm glad there is now a spokemen for "The Chinese People". Didn't realise you had a single voice, who frequented HN.

In all seriousness, some tips:

- Stop being racist

- go and learn a little bit about Chinese political landscape, and modern history

- Reduce your ignorance.

The Chinese (government) care greatly about the environment and the people, and that is why they have year-on-year improved hundreds of millions of lives in both health and wealth for the past 60 years.

Yes, they are a 1 party communist political system... but so what, judge by action, not ideology.

aggregate data of usage is not a breach of privacy, it's only when I have individual data about someone that privacy becomes an issue.

Perhaps analytics needs a standard for how they are stored (i.e only store aggregates, not individual records)

> Where do we draw the line as companies in terms of user data collection? Should we stop tracking our users entirely?

Well then "Login" would stop working. I think there is no universal line. Just inform users of what you are collecting.

None of those are "from the last few months". And all of them are (pro) western media (less reliable).

In addition, it's seems non of them relate to China's intentional avoidance of modern technology in farming...

I don't get it... why does Australia need to store a copy of US secret data? Isn't this why the Defence Industry invented the internet?

It seemed they noticed people who had healthier gut (i.e took probiotics) had less activity in the part of the brain that processes internal sensations.... right, so stomach aches hurt, and not having them doesn't. *

* I think I'm being a bit too cynical...

I always find New York times articles present a pessimistic if not outright incorrect articles on China. They are pushing some agenda of their own.

So is urbanisation a bad idea? (if so, why have ALL developed countries done this?)

Or is really fast urbanization bad?

Citation? (preferably showing how widespread they are as well).

(While I agree with your point, alarm bells go off when I read lists of 'events' with no references)

When did this happen?

Or did you mean when they took out a design patent for a touch screen device of iPad like dimensions with very specific rounding on their corners that is reflected in the rest of their product line as well.

I'm pretty sure, that particular patent of Apple's is EXACTLY what design patents were invented for.

Disclaimer: I don't believe in the patent system at all, but the system exists, so the players play it.

Just from reading the comments here you can get an idea it's more than the NY Times, the assumption of westerners is an assumption, but do you seriously think it's a bad one?

So are china:

BYD, Baidu, QQ, Weibo, PPS

Some of those products have no equivalent in the West, namely BYD and PPS.

Others are significantly different to our equivalents (Google/Baidu, BYD/Tesla(?), Weibo/(Twitter/Facebook))...

Are you seriously saying they need to have a "cultural revolution"? are you ignorant? or is your humour just really bad taste?

What did they steal?

Why do Chinese care what western companies think? (They have the biggest market, not us).

Why do you think western companies don't steal?

Have you used MIUI? it isn't a copy, and it is innovative.

Wu mao = Derogatory terms used to describe anyone who isn't pro democracy or IS pro (chinese) communism. (in the context of china) i.e A P.R.C Government Apologist.

> What you're saying is that anyone who compares anything to the wumao party is incapable of telling the difference between the two. That drawing parallels between it and something else is automatically racist.

No, I'm saying in this instance (not any instance) they are not the same, and trying to imply they are the same, is bigotry. Meaning: Using prejudice to prejudge someones argument without actually addressing the merits of their argument.