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It's not by any mean a dead language, but this submission should be, I don't know why it hasn't been flagged down and deleted.

The about page states "dating in new york city" in the title, is it only for NYC (initially)?

Sounds interesting, but it hasn't launched yet.. Please post again when there's something to see

This looks nice, but the time zone has to be set correctly for the user, CST means nothing for me.

Probably best to determine it with javascript, and then give the user an option to change if required.

I thought this Google thing was that they just added a few more terms (this time torrent related) to their auto-complete stop list. Is that incorrect? (apologies for the ignorance, have been offline for a few days)

Very true indeed, but this particular post was about programmers :)

I don't recall it being discussed on HN recently, but this description sounds like Selenium, http://seleniumhq.org/

How many of these examples do we need to see before something is done with the US patent system?

I think another point is that programming is generally started as a hobby, because you love it. You might spend years and years doing it for fun - you are in control what you're doing, you do things that you like.

Then, it becomes a profession. Suddenly, even if you're doing the same things, it's now something you _have_ to do. All of a sudden it's not that much fun any more.

Don't get me wrong, I think Catalyst is great. But I liked the look of Mojo (and Mojo::Lite) -- as I said I haven't used it much but I'll try to use it in a project soon -- I also think it's good for Perl as a whole that there's an easy to install / easy to use modern framework.

Love it. I've used Catalyst for some project, but I've now been looking at Mojo and I like the look of it. Haven't used it much yes so I can't comment on details, but it looks solid

Yes, all emails are available for searching

Apart from some mailing list, which bypasses the inbox, I always want to get unread messages read. If it's junk I'll delete, if it's something I need to action later, I'll star it (gmail). I just don't want to see "Unread messages"..

This discussion has focused on OO, but my point was that their general level was very low -- it wasn't just a lack of OO experience.

Good knowledge in some other area would have made it a lesser issue that they didn't have OO experience, but they were generally lacking knowledge across the board.

First, it looks like we've hit max depth on this thread, I can't reply to Nicks post (this is probably a sign that I should shut up now :))

Sorry, I was not very clear in my first post. The job was advertised clearly being on a web system, looking for experienced developers. I don't have a copy of the ad any more, but I'm quite sure it specifically stated OO as wanted experience.

My main point with the first post was to highlight the disconnect between the level they graded themselves at, and the level at which they actually were. If I'm talking with someone claiming to be an experienced Perl web developer, I'd expect, among several things, they would have OO experience.

(If anyone's interested in the end of the story -- we gave up on trying to find a senior person, and instead went with a guy who did not have much experience at all, but came across as very keen to learn. It worked out very well).

edit: oh, now I have a "reply" link under Nicks post. oh well, too late.

For me to hire you for a senior web Perl programming position, I expect you to have experience with OO, that's all there is to it.

True, OO is not the only way to code. But if you don't have any experience with it, how can you make an informed decision?

edit: also it depends on what type of programming you're supposed to do. This particular case was for web development, and in that world I would say OO is quite a fundamental concept.

A few years ago I was interviewing people for a Perl programming position. The general level was shocking. Asked to rate themselves, many would give themselves a close to the top rating, where later it showed they had never done OO, didn't know the basics of unit testing, etc etc. Sad state of affairs indeed.

I really doubt this is unique for Perl though.

(yea I realized my distance from the TFA half way through my first post.. but decided to post anyway. (possibly a bad decision). And it has lead to a bit of a discussion. Which is good -- which is what I like)

Alright, we're discussing "open" vs "free". Right now I don't care too much about semantics..

For anyone reading this that don't know what we're on about , read --> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.h...

(edit: I generally agree with RMS's points. I might confuse "open" and "free". For anyone not native to English these words might be interchangeable. I'm not a native English speaker. It becomes clearer when you define the words such as done in http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.h... , but in a day to day conversation, it's easy to get the exact definitions wrong)

There are plenty of words in this particular universe that are thrown around a lot. You mention "openness". Another big one is "freedom". You can discuss to great length what these words mean, but I'm not going down that route tonight.

I don't know specifically what RMS has said and has not said. For the most of it I'm not interested. What I am interested in are the actions. Like him or not, but RMS has clearly done good things for anyone who believes computers should be devices that you and I are free to hack on on your own.

(I'm carefully avoiding your TFA quote because I have nothing useful to comment on that. Yes, I agree that the API only has value because it's coming from this one company. I don't really think this has much to do with openness).

I give my deepest respect for anyone who fights for open software. I wish I would do more..

I've never met RMS, and as far as I call tell he might be a bit weird, but I still owe him the greatest degree of respect. Thanks to him, and to people like him, I was able to grow up with software I could hack on my own. I started learning proper programming in the early 90's, and I could do that using free (I'm not going to qualify what type of free we're talking about. If you don't know, you're not on HN) software and the reason is for people like him who lead the way

(ok, this post might be more about protocols rather than software, but the main gist of my point still remains)

Agree with everything Andrew said.

If one could select an easier level, I'd push some nephews / nieces to that site. Then, I guess a bit of "challenge friends" could aid in them actually using it to improve their math skills.

Agreed, hiring is hard.

If you have specific, defined tasks, it's better to get a contractor. For example, for my current project, I hired a sysadmin for about a week to set up a new infrastructure, configuring puppet and so on. Sure, I could have done it myself, but that would have taken a lot of time and probably wouldn't have been done as well (I'm more dev than admin).

If you're in London, The London School of Economics and Political Science is having a public lecture next week with this author, Evgeny Morozov. I believe it'll be available as a podcast after the fact, for anyone who can't get there.

http://www2.lse.ac.uk/publicEvents/events/2011/20110119t1830...

It sometimes work for me when hitting ctrl-shift rather than just shift

Thanks for the updates.

I had an issue with mail forwarding a few weeks ago. Mailed them about it but got no reply (problem was eventually fixed). Still seem to happen occasionally, not very happy with this..

ok, cheers.

I've still got quite a lot of credits in my zoneedit account :/

Have you notified zoneedit?

I've had several problems when I was moved to the new site.. Hope they sort it out soon, or I may have to go looking for another service. (Any suggestions?)

FWIW, I can't log in at all right now, only getting the spinning circle.

Looks interesting. Few initial thoughts;

- I'd really like to see a demo or something before signing up (classic "Show HN" feedback)

- Even signing up wont show me how this will work, as I will have to wait for my first email. Right now all I get is an empty calendar

- My calendar appears public. As I haven't received a reminder email yet I don't know what information will be public, but I'd personally like to keep a log like this private (or possibly be able to flag which items should be public)

- Perhaps the calendar data could be exported to Google calendar and/or other calendars people use?