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_V_on Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

So far it seems like they are going all in. I would say that it does not even matter at this point who wins as it will destabilize whole country/region either way.

Also who knows what will happen in Belarus and Chechnya as there are anti-estblishment forces that have been waiting for quite some time for an opportunity to strike.

Either way this has huge potential to grow into something similar as happend to USSR.

_V_on Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

That is the nature of an unfolding situation. I was trying to post updates from the sources I found and was hoping more interested people would join in for us to get clearer picture and to watch up close.

Saying that you cannot have conversation about this just reeks of a poorly veiled elitism.

Dang also said that "There hasn't been a coup" in thad thread you link to which leads me to believe he has no idea what is going on and what is at stake here or he simply does not care. Which is fine, but to say that there is nothing to discuss is just ... wrong.

_V_on Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

That is true, but the guidelines also say anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity.

History of nations & psychology & huge geopolitical changes is indeed something I find very interesting. And I think I'm not alone as I don't believe that hackers have to be interested only in tech and nothing else.

_V_on Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

Why "not my politics" == flag?

_V_on Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

So just don't interact?

You can simply not click that link. I don't think that I've hidden/misrepresented or clickbaited the title to force you to click... You may not want to interact, others may.

_V_on Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

Even though these events were provoked by the war, they are important even without that connection. Possibility of civil war / regime change in Russa will inevitably hit everyone in the world. Some will get hit more, some less. Some only economically.

Nothing to do with a culture war vortex. Burying your head in sand is not necessarily the smartest option although I understand that it is the easiest one.

_V_on Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

That's kind of stupid - politics affect our lives whether we like it or not. Especially these kinds of events where Russia might collapse from within.

_V_on Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

I honestly don't know. To me it is one of the most important event that is happening this year.

That's why I posted it in the first place.

_V_on Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

So far there are no confirmations (videos or photos) of Prigozhin's previous statements that Wagner mercenaries have allegedly entered Rostov-on-Don. Local media don't confirm that.

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/16723944954243563...

_V_on Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

Prigozhin, audio statement at 00:31 BST, stating that Gerasimov "gave an order for planes to bomb moving Wagner columns". It is unclear if these columns exist in reality:

"Just now, the Head of General staff gave the order to raise planes and open fire at columns moving through civilian cars, through trucks. He doesn’t care whom to kill. They’ve been killing own civilians for 1,5 years now instead of fighting with the enemy.

I want to say thank you to the pilots who, as it just became known, refused to obey criminal orders."

Audio: https://t.co/ASUwhevnMw

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672387845749702658

_V_on Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

New audio statement by Prigozhin (00:03 BST), stating Wagner "crossed state borders in all areas" and is now entering Rostov, promising to "destroy anything standing in their way":

"The current situation: today, we were dealt a missile strike. After this strike, helicopters did their work. Then, artillery.

The orders were coming from the Head of General Staff to destroy PMC Wagner. After a meeting with the Minister of Defence Shoygu where they made this decision - to destroy the rebellious units, who are ready to defend the motherland, but not their asses.

As of now, we’ve crossed the state borders in all areas. Border guards came towards us and hugged our fighters.

Now, we’re entering Rostov. Units of the Ministry of Defence, in fact, the conscripts who were thrown to block our path, moved away.

We do not fight with children. We do not kill children. Shoygu is killing children by throwing untrained soldiers, conscripts included, into the war.

He set up 18-year-old lads against us. They’re like children and grandchildren to us. Therefore, these lads will live and return to their mothers.

We only fight with professionals. But if someone stands in our path, we will destroy EVERYTHING in our way.

We lend a hand to anyone. No need to spit in this hand. We are moving forward, going to the end.

Regarding claims regarding the arrest: this brotherhood, this justice, this honour, this conscience is what we have. But when you make these claims, you haven’t got these feelings. These feelings are destroyed. Thus, you cannot understand anything but betrayal."

Audio: https://t.co/eVLNEA708y

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672383249656496128

_V_on Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

Prigozhin announced they have crossed the border and are entering Rostov

https://twitter.com/saintjavelin/status/1672380562697330692

Also: https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1672381234150887425

Also: https://t.me/Prigozhin_hat/3805

_V_on Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

A senior American intelligence official tells me for both Ukraine and U.S. intelligence, it’s a “watch and see if they destroy themselves sort of situation.” They said it was going to be a long night of watching how this develops. Said Wagner is preparing* to mobilize—it’s believed they want to head towards Moscow. Edited original tweet for better context.

https://twitter.com/JimLaPorta/status/1672377846524772353

_V_on Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

> оявилась информация, что несколько частей, в том числе 45 бригада, отказались выйти из казарм против Вагнера. Кстати, в ВДВ всегда симпатизировали Пригожину, - ВЧК-ОГПУ

> information appeared that several units, including the 45th brigade, refused to leave the barracks against Wagner. By the way, in the Airborne Forces they always sympathized with Prigozhin, - VChK-OGPU

https://twitter.com/protest_da/status/1672369669850669064

_V_on Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

Well, they can't kill him twice...

_V_on Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

Of course - it is unfolding right now. We'll get a better picture later, but for now I'm posting what I can get (along with sources so everyone can follow up/make their mind).

_V_on Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

Prigozhin, via AP Wagner channel, calls for Rosgvardia to join him, or "things will go badly":

"The most promising politician appeals to the National Guard (Rosgvardia) with an offer that is better not refused. Obeying criminal orders and attempting to interfere with the planned campaign of Justice will end badly for employees who have made the wrong choice."

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672364086812606470

_V_on Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

Nothing stopping you searching Telegram *shrug emoji*

I'm trying to add more info but it is (as one might expect) quite chaotic right now.

_V_on Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

Well either this is the best psyop I have seen in a long time or something is happening:

https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1672359193863487491

_V_on Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

Who knows, too soon. But Prigozhin did seemingly lose to Shoigu earlier when Putin agreed to have all the "external" soldiers to be under the ShoiguúMoD command.

So this may very well be the final fight between the two.

_V_on Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

Too soon to say for real - but something seems to be happening. There is quite a lot of noise from Russia.

_V_on Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

Wagner PMC has responded to the pleas of RU generals for them to not to listen to Prigozhin:

> Все генералы, которые с трясущимися руками обращаются к музыкантам с призывами остановиться уже фактически подписали себе приговор. Трибунал обязательно будет. Суровикин еще ответит за сдачу Херсона.

> (Google Translate) All the generals who, with trembling hands, appeal to the musicians to stop, have actually signed their own sentence. There will be a tribunal. Surovikin will still answer for the surrender of Kherson.

https://t.me/apwagner/9116

_V_on Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

«We're on our way to Moscow, and anyone who entered our centres will answer for it» - Prigozhin

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/16723584970679705...

_V_on Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

Also: Russia accuses Wagner chief of urging 'armed mutiny'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66005256

_V_on Lost submersible has 2 scrubbers, scuba tanks and 7 system to rise back up [video]

And yet zero beacons for it to be tracked down... Really boggles the mind.

_V_on Submarine missing near Titanic used a $30 Logitech gamepad for steering

> The company bills the eight-day trip on its carbon-fibre submersible as a "chance to step outside of everyday life and discover something truly extraordinary".

Well, they did deliver on their promises I guess...

_V_on OpenBSD: Shutdown/reboot now require membership of group _shutdown

Judging by all the downvotes and comments that there are quite a lot of people without sense of humor :-D

_V_on Ligatures in programming fonts: hell no (2019)

Yeah, I don't really get it. Why screw up your own page deliberately so that it cannot be normally accessed? I mean the amount of actual effort and man-hours put into making something worse is beyond me

And I can only imagine, how screwed up internet must be for disabled people that need some kind of reader etc...

_V_on Ligatures in programming fonts: hell no (2019)

I hope that there will be more and more of us :-)

Usually when I get empty page I just close the tab and move on. Very rarely the content is so unique and in general worth the hassle anyway. The thing is that you enable JS and it will load bunch of trackers and cookie popups and GDPR popups etc... I just hate that.

_V_on Ligatures in programming fonts: hell no (2019)

The problem is that pages today are waaay too bloated and they use JS to download a bunch of unnecessary crap such as various trackers and "analytics" etc. And with the WebAssembly there is even more tracking the page can do (no thanks!).

When I disable JS globally, I genuinely get faster experience on most of the pages.