amedvednikov

Signal is openly against third party clients, they basically killed LibreSignal:

https://github.com/LibreSignal/LibreSignal/issues/37#issueco...

Also how easy is it to run a custom Signal server?

Ironic coming from a gullible person calling a legit open source project a scam.

So much hate yet I'm sure you can't even list 3 reasons to hate V.

This is a myth.

V compiles itself in <1s, can translate entire DOOM, has a working kernel/OS (Vinix), 10k+ PRs, 600+ contributors etc.

While the bad track record you mention is about junk like git/libc dependencies and system("curl") (doesn't happen).

Can you list actual lies?

Every single feature on the website works.

Why are you making such false claims? Which features don't work? Please list them.

*edit*

Just like I thought.

You will write walls of text about it being a scam, but you cannot list a single example of such a scam.

Only point to "complete takedown" articles with lies like V not being open source, or nonsense like V depending on git/libc/opengl/make.

You even say that every single feature mentioned on the website is a lie, while it can be verified in a couple of minutes.

That's true for a vast majority of devs, but not for everyone. There are people like Jon Blow and projects like https://vlang.io

V uses a GC by default, but it's easily disabled per function/module via the @[manualfree] attribute or for the entire project via `v -gc none`

https://vlang.io

V has been open source since its release on June 22, 2019.

Vox is not released yet, and the website literally says "upcoming".

No it doesn't. Pure V: https://github.com/vlang/v/tree/master/vlib/net

It's going to be a browser engine and a browser.

4 year old articles from a "V should die" author with claims like using system("curl") for the networking library, type checker bugs that have been fixed a long time ago, etc are not really relevant.

You can download the browser, press D (debug) to see how fast it's rendered, and compare to Chrome (dev tools). You'll get similar numbers.

V is stable for a pre 1.0 lang and delivers everything promised on the home page and in the docs.

A fixed memory leak in os.input() in a 0.4 language, really?

> he's calling something open-source when he hasn't released the source

never happened

Interesting, how did they do that?

In V it works automatically for all enums via a builtin str() method:

  my_enum.str()

I have one. It's not OOP :)

Ok I'll stop responding defensively.

Tozen can do the same. Since they didn't see your original warning, you should give them another chance.

Thanks.

Nice project!

But you say that flamewars are not wanted, and yet they are allowed to be started by a small number of accounts.

All of the flamewar threads in this post were done by 4 accounts, which follow V posts and my comments, and start the flamewars:

1) https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=zamberzand (an account created to only spread a single message throughout the years)

2) ModernMech, about 20 flamewar posts. This thread is very telling, where I ask not to start another pointless flamewar, get flagged, and ModernMech goes on:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37296225

The comment by riku_iki is spot on: "You are stalking him with toxic attacks on the minor issues which were resolved long ago; I think language which these people are using (scam, outrageous and frequently false claims, lying) is hard to call "mildly critical", and given they appear in multiple posts and their claims are not directly relevant to post, and proactively initiate all these toxic exchanges, this is exactly stalking."

3) richbell, 11 posts.

4) and a couple of new accounts that were thankfully flagged.

I'm not saying that all criticism of V should be flagged, just posts by such accounts, whose only purpose is to start flame wars.

I'd gladly not waste time by not replying to bait comments spreading debunked claims.

Can these bait comments/threads just be removed to keep HN clean?

And 1 year later in June 2021 the author stated that V should die.

You still haven't listed any impossible claims, only something about autofree and GC copied from the website. What's impossible about that?

I agree with Tozen's sibling comment. He's not the one who starts these pointless flamewars.

It's the people bringing up these 4 year old debunked "V is scam/vaporware" points in each submission about a V release.

> Which explicitly implies that objects are exclusively freed only by autofree and reference counting.

Yes, and what's wrong with that? That's how it works now too, except RC has been replaced by a tracing GC.

There's no pretending, see my reply to you above.

And again, everything written is correct.

No heavy GC tracing everything or expensive RC for each object.

What's your issue with the wording?

The homepage makes it clear autofree is not ready yet and recommends 3 other ways to manage memory until it is.

You create an account to post the same message in all V posts. Why? :)

You pointed to an old version of the documentation. RC was changed to tracing GC. Things can change in the design.

V never promised autofree without GC or RC.

autofree is marked as not ready on the website