andrekandre

read in captain kirks voice: what does a toaster need which an llm?

if they go bankrupt, someone will buy their assets or end up in sale to someone anyways, and if they couldn't make enough money to continue operations maybe its not actually worth "hundreds of millions or billions"?

bankruptcy also gives companies a chance to redo things and get stuff in order to pay the debtors; it doesn't always end in liquidation.

in any case, its better longterm to incentivize survival of the fittest through competition than through golden exit as it is now...

relatedly, TIL both anthropic and openai are public benefit corporations...

https://finance.yahoo.com/technology/ai/articles/explainer-p...

  > they even prefer knowing who to bribe to get exactly what they want

look its just a standard transaction fee set to market rates (if you are a ferenghi)

yes, if what we are doing capitalism anyways.

if they aren't successful they should go under, financially viable organizations should be rewarded with survival; there should be more incentive to build successful sustainable businesses and more competition to drive down costs and raise quality for customers than the quick exit we see a lot of the time

  > If you rent an apartment in China, it will come with furniture, because how else are you supposed to live in it?

+1 this. not in china, but same for me when i was a student; it was a godsend

  > the DMCA abolishes personal property so long as it contains electronics

i think this is a good distinction: electronic _personal property_ is basically abolished while _private property_ (aka means of production) is strengthened and protected.

it really goes to show the balance of influence where law is used basically say 'corporations > people' (and this isn't the first time), which begs the question do we even live in a 'democracy' if thats the norm?

same here, i call it aids (ai delusion sickness) and some companies i've seen have it bad

that is definitely true, calmly saying something completely outrageous while chastising the person passionately pointing it out... and the over-the-top behavior of some public personalities make it so easy to look sane while saying insane things because the optics are so contrasting.

slightly different i think; one bans a business model, the other bans a technology

like cigarets, they aren't banned outright but they aren't allowed to market to children etc

  > “what did these people do with all those tokens?”

asked claude to check big query (raises hand)

  > reform is prompted by competition than by the cops

i think we all would prefer this, but then who prompts the competition?

  > then they rewrote it

they keep doing this, and everything gets worse for it; i remember when they rewrite mDNSResponder and internet connectivity went to hell... and the ux in system preferences is atrocious... just text labels and lists everywhere, no attention to detail.

the people who built/designed/managed the rollout osx and nextstep were a totally different breed imo

  > fuck barrel? How about we just not have it?

yes, i agree with this. the context of my answer was n the even we have to have an appstore at all; personally i'd rather download an app from a website (and signed with their certificate, for example) than slog through a 'store'

  > So an intervention would just be anti-consumer?

maybe? but you are paying for it with you data and usage, you just don't realize it (in addition to being subsequently manipulated by it); that could also probably considered anti-consumer imho...

  > but people wouldn’t use it.

yep, thats right. thats why i think having a price signal where the actual cost is upfront; now you don't discover later your data is being used against you as a "cost" but consider upfront 'do i really wanna pay for this or do something else' etc

said in another way, i feel like giving the customer upfront knowledge about what something actually costs is more pro-consumer because now we can make informed choices

performance reviews are also a great time to find a scapegoat as well

they overwhelmingly use it because its free, but if they even had to pay one cent i'd bet they'd loose half their customers and start shopping around on different metrics of quality

making things free causes a loss of price signal, so i'd say it would be a good idea to restore that...

  > Just a bunch of people who treat the codebase as a black box, pump out slop, and call it a day when the feature works?

my guess is yes, because that is what i am seeing today in front of me with new grads

  > Or, AI will actually get good enough that vibe coding is better in every case than mindful development. I guess the main factor is how long it takes for that to happen.

i think there is a limit to this; you could train an llm to never dereference a null pointer or something like that, and you could probably minimize other security related stuff, but in the end its a token predictor, so you stuck with probabilities... i wouldn't vibe anything that had any security/legal/user related things but thats just me.

  > Seriously want to know what people really think...

(in a vacuum) i think we would all be saying thats amazing and fundamentally change the way we see ourselves and place in the universe (science fiction becomes science fact) and open new possibilities for research and discoveries

  >  find "life". So? Why is this important to people?

when there are more down-to-earth problems right in front of us, i get this as well; why not use that money to fund free college for a couple years for all citizens etc etc

that is to say, you have to be a good dev first and foremost, and no matter how much harnessing you do there is gonna be a limit to the quality of output by the user (otherwise why not just use a no-code tool instead)

(the ironic thing is tho, people starting out with just llms will probably never progress to 'good dev' in the first place...)

are you a well known business or submitting your very first app? its anecdotal, but it seems to me from experience at a couple companies is that apple/google are quick to review even new apps from established companies...

  > but still use the services because of free/cheap/etc

it may be a crazy idea, but if they ever made a law that said 'free trial not withstanding, services must be payed for and not free' i wonder if that would fix the issue real fast...

(of course a side effect might be that half the economy implodes but thats besides the point ^^)

  > and we have still a third that's offering premium features to users with cash to spend and leaves everyone else out in the cold

but at least we would know where to go for trust and safety? isn't that better than now where its just a crapshoot with no alternative?

(this is putting aside wetter we should even need 'appstores')

  > You don't have a automatic right to live in another country in my opinion. 

its true, and thats how things are (legally anyways) but taking that further sometimes i wonder why its okay to freely move from region a to region b inside a country?

wouldn't the same logic apply to people from say east germany moving to the west? or 'annoying liberals' from california moving to north carolina? yes they can add to the local tax base, but if we want to keep things fair we should probably move to restrict everyone to stay in their own places if thats the logic we are following... but maybe i'm not thinking deeply enough...

  > foreigners are poorly behaved tourists, investors developing land and municipal issues with short-term residents

they could directly target them, i wonder why not?

because of outsourcing?

the other issue is, there are lots of people who work and help out in the countryside where cost of living (and hence wages) are very low and forcing them to be above the whole average of the county is a bit onerous i think.

probably a better idea is average for the prefecture they live in, but i guess they want to simplify things or discourage ppl from moving to the countryside? idk; most people are in tokyo/osaka to be sure...

  > The real cause is the failure of Abenomics and the resulting weak yen

i think you are right, there is a lot of over-tourism (and from some places 'rude' tourists that are really aggravating to people) but that is also being caused by weak yen in the end...

whats the saying? everything is downstream from economics?

that also rings true, as someone who has had to deal with mvc in various forms; its all so complicated, and views as watchers is exactly what i'd want

slight digression, but i feel like alot of the want for using llms for coding is because people are tired of dealing with all the complexity of implementing things that should be simple and easy; like llms are a crutch for complexity we are drowning in and people just want to "throw it at the llm" and be done with it...

  > just drive easy for a couple minutes.

so your... warming it up?