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I’m not sure if product managers at small companies and startups act this way.

At the larger companies the people who spend all their time fighting for power seem to be product managers.

It doesn’t make sense at all to me why these people get specifically hired and put into these roles. Because people who want power are defined by the trait of not listening and that is exactly what a Product manager is supposed to be an expert at: Listening.

So you hire people who are guaranteed not to be good at listening and of course you get really bad results.

I think most of these product managers choose these roles because they are more interested in power. Or their managers want power.

Imagine they rewrite lord of the rings and make everyone a woman.

How is that ok?

Did you?

Go look it up.

Either she is being blamed, or she is deeply guilty and wants to try to avoid the publicity, or they anticipate this will become extremely ugly.

Or sundar is blaming her for lining him up for a firing squad.

Or she is a liability due to her past work.

Regardless, it seems like she is leaving because what she had to do to make the government happy previously is now going to be used against Google.

Someone else mentioned the theory that she might be the best Sundar replacement. Maybe she found out it’s not her or Sundar is eliminating competition here.

I realized my “logic” brain scares the crap out of normies. I learned to ask other people for help with complex negotiations involving politics and emotion.

I realized I don’t process information the same as most people and this has been at the root of numerous career mistakes. Some of those mistakes were extremely damaging.

I recommend learning to run your decision making past people who are better in these areas than you. When it is a political issue especially. If you know you are not great at politics, you need to improve your decision making and avoid this problem in the future.

I learned after YEARS of stepping on landmines accidentally to be far more careful navigating internal politics. The costs of getting it wrong are devastating.

For example. If you indeed did the math and calculated (logically and truthfully) that management was a +7% increase in pay for a +13% increase in work that’s fine.

But if you used those exact words and numbers to a superior; they will view that as arrogant, selfish and entitled. Because their view is you should want to be the best you can be for the company and make a personal sacrifice to show you want the company to do well. That is basic “salary man 101” and doing the opposite of that (analyzing the exact math) is putting a target on your back as a “free thinking non team player individualist.” It’s career lethal to get that label

I suspect you may have a lot more Aspergers than you realize. Or maybe it’s a generational culture thing. And the most irritating thing about people who are on the spectrum is the refusal to introspect and self reflect about it.

I tried to coach a co worker who was similar. Dude was angering everyone. All the time. He didn’t want to hear that he had a problem.

I strongly recommend developing friends you can run these decisions by. It was literally a life saver for me. I realized I was like a blind person wandering around with a cane when it came to navigating politics and needed watch dogs who could analyze the situation for me so I didn’t blow my leg off.

In terms of this situation. It sounds like you did not prepare well for a long term career discussion. That is an extreme red flag. And didn’t take it seriously that a higher level authority was asking you for your plan.

You were being checked on whether you have a future at the organization. You failed.

I have failed these tests myself. I was late to a critical call with a VP. It ended my career. It showed lack of care or preparation and a lack of respect.

One late meeting ended my career.

I can’t blame you. If you are hyper logical in your mind you we’re probably just telling them that “2+2=4.”

The entire political career metagame that normies play does not have anything to do with logic. I personally don’t like it either.

It may also be generational. A GenZ who plans to coast and just get a paycheck while turning in a solid 30% effort might have given the same answer you did.

Some Aspergers dude wouldn’t know that this is career ending as an impression to give: “my plan is to do the minimum ser.” Is what your skip level hears.

It wasn’t what you said it was what they heard.

“I love the company and support you and want to grow into doing more, I’m so optimistic of the future.” That’s what they want to hear.

If you want to coast, at least say what I just said and give that impression. And you can probably carve out a way to mostly get left alone and negotiate your wants and workload. Or negotiate a project that allows you to coast. But holy shit don’t start doing comparative math on working hours versus pay.

Your company might not be doing well. If you don’t know that (they might not even tell you), they may really have needed you to do more.

I recommend working on your likability also.

Suspect your delivery and demeanor are just labeling you as an Aspergers robot.

Companies will tolerate incompetent, lazy, shiftless, unambitious workers who are positive, pleasant, non threatening, supportive, not “too smart,” keep their mouths shut, not crafty or aggressive. They will tolerate that forever. In fact they love it.

I suspect your demeanor and likability are bad. It starts with how you enter every discussion. Keep things light and funny. Never criticize, complain, bicker over hours or workloads.

Negotiate for what you want and have a clear plan and do it lightly and in a gentle way and watch the demeanor of those around you.

Doing Aspergers math on how much work they want you to do versus how much work you feel like doing: Holy shit. Don’t make that mistake again. That was me. Get a clue, learn to softened and likable. Don’t be logical. They hate that and they will hate you.

Be optimistic and clueless and get your job done.

The top companies are political nightmares because the pressure and competition levels make them insane.

Now it has become fcking drudgery; I can’t understand why anyone would want to become a developer now. You don’t get any creative freedom and just get assigned tickets and treated like a robot by 75 layers of middle management.

Programming as a creative act is wonderful. Programming as a career puts you always at the bottom of the pile, whether you like it or not.

“Oh you shudders* code?”

Being a developer is a low status occupation despite being high paid.

Don’t know which one it is. It’s not liquid.

Depending on if the economy improves could go either way.

Not sure if sophisticated troll but either way it’s hilarious.

Owning things really sucks. I would love to live in a camper van. That would be awesome.

I had really enjoyed it and then just felt like I had done it all.

It took a completely new market arriving with new technology and a new culture in the environment to finally snap me out of it.

The doldrums were f*cking awful. Eventually I realized I had to quit because I was so chronically unhappy and bored and underutilized.

my curiosity is the only thing that let me know when it was time. I simply couldn’t find anything better until I started fiddling around and fell deep into my side activities and finally had enough and quit.

If you are like me, you may literally have to leave behind an entire career in one market or skillset and plan on another ten year arc in some new growth market where all the fun is.

Financially this has been a heavy burden. I may or may not make it.

I don’t know if I will ever retire, but I’d rather be poor and retire by voluntary means then have to work at big companies doing hateful work dealing with hateful politics in exchange for my only remaining time on earth.

These companies are bad news, completely random management, dead end projects.

Worse yet, if you work there, you are dramatically disconnected from the startup market. And prevented from getting modern skills.

At least in startups in theory skills are mor transferable because the market is larger.

I found large companies deeply unfulfilling and do not see myself going back: they are recipes for total frustration.

The entire power structure from California to city on down has to be almost completely changed.

It’s like we have a Midieval government transported into a modern city. The disconnect is so obvious that it can’t be fixed, only total government restructuring will do it.

Governments from 30 years ago transported into modern cities don’t work: that’s basically what we have here.

That doesn’t seem to be imminent so I don’t see it coming back.

Assertion: False

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The cia and other agencies are deeply tangled with Amazon and Microsoft and Google.

You are unaware we are in capitalism. You have to understand what capitalism Is.

A successful virus in evolution is one that permanently inserts its dna into human dna. So it doesn’t even need to reproduce anymore. That’s why we have so much junk dna.

A successful corporation becomes the government. Microsoft is well past this stage. Microsoft IS the government.

Why do they make a lot of money?

Because big companies are drilled into the woodwork of the governments worldwide, and partners.

How are they drilled into every nook and cranny?

They hired people to lock onto every nook and cranny. Amazon, for example, has effectively grafted itself to the United States government. If you shut down Amazon, you would probably end the government.

That’s on purpose.

These companies are so big because they hire to burrow into every corner and tap into the blood supply so they can never be removed.

My tendency is to push myself far beyond my limits. When I get exhausted I start blowing up and yelling at people.

They have no idea. If you average someone into a crowd of average people, who interfere, take credit, undercut, etc.

You will have absolutely no idea who is good or bad if you are slightly removed.

A good test is to ask how good you think someone from a neighboring group is who you have never worked with directly.

Is that guy really a qualified “strategist?” No fucking idea never seen him do anything directly.

It was like being immersed in a dunk tank of elementary school children but most of them had college degrees yet no common sense or world wisdom.

If you organized an event which was “insufficiently diverse” they would gang up on you on twitter and lynch you publicly.

I truly feel the shrillness has eased off. I think as people got older, and the political landscape changed I see a lot less of it.

I feel a lot more comfortable having based opinions publicly, the army of children seem to be much quieter now.

Before - the fear was palpable. I didn’t feel comfortable following conservatives because morons on twitter would literally comb through your likes and follows and “out you” for not being liberal.

It was so unbelievably childish and pervasive that you could literally feel it.

I think it’s nowhere near as bad as it used to be. I remember just how bad it was, especially in 2016. I think it became a parody of itself during the trump administration and my hope is a lot of people grew out of it.

Could be a timing problem.

May get better in the summer. Summer is hiring season

They can take a giant dump directly in your mouth while making steady eye contact and you can’t leave because there is nowhere to go.

In software and in startups if you have relevant skills and modern, up to date experience you can switch easily.

Don’t work in industries that are declining and have no future and require advanced technical training that is non transferable.

Oh you got a PHD in quantum silicon dick butt nanometers from MIT? That’s worth dick at 99.99% of companies.

It will happen to you. You want startups where your abilities are transferable and the hiring market is broad and deep.

And never move to a location where the only option is intel. That’s their favorite trick. Fuck that!

The federal reserve caused panic over-hiring across the technology industry of extremely expensive people.

Many of these companies over hired by 40%.

I believe the federal reserve is deliberately treating this over hiring as a structural defect in the economy and systematically unwinding it.

They rely on a constant influx of gullible, industrious and ambitious people willing to jump through hoops for a bit before they get averaged into the grey mass of middle management.

Middle management is a scam where you let your eager workers feel they got somewhere but then get stuck for 15 years going nowhere because it mathematically doesn’t work to keep promoting everyone.

And you can’t promote people anymore who aren’t women minorities, anymore.

So then you have to clear cut middle management, especially if white and over 40.

The layoffs are basically a cover to do exactly that.

Then they refill the buckets with new dumb industrious people and ring another 3 years before doing it again.

It’s a talent Ponzi scheme and works everyone. And it only works with regular layoffs.