Isn't that off by at least an order of magnitude though? It forces them to operate a much larger cluster than should be necessary.
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Isn't that off by at least an order of magnitude though? It forces them to operate a much larger cluster than should be necessary.
Ha.
The first thing I noticed and you almost got to it in your summary: at 1.2MM/2300 = 520 qps per node, this isn't a wild setup. I'm wrapping my head around how they're generating that amount of load. Seems like an easy task for any database to handle.
The biggest one is transmission. Most utilities have an arrangement where they can receive a certain return from customers with new capex. No large-scale transmission is required for rooftop installations.
Thanks for the book recommendation. I'll have to check it out.
> "customer incentives"
Correct. Customers are incentivized to use as little as possible and therefore save money. The utilities are incentivized to get customers to pay for new projects to earn a guaranteed return. And if a customer overgenerates their credits in a net metering scenario? Typically this is free energy to the utility. No payout.
Two issues I see missing from NREL's analysis: land use and distribution.
I don't see a cost attributed to land in there. It's free for residential because it's already put to use, but not so for utility-scale and probably hard to estimate broadly. Environmental impacts of that land use should also be accounted for in addition to direct land acquisition cost and/or leasing. Solar generation does not have land impacts when placed on a roof. That land is already "disrupted" and therefore allocated for human use.
Either way, labor is now the dominant piece of the cost for residential, and it's obvious that one-off small jobs in high-price metros are more expensive than a crew operating in rural areas. An accounting looking strictly and materials + labor is going to heavily favor utilities, but it doesn't capture the full picture.
Your comment assumes that the utility needs to be using up lots of land to power customers. Rooftop solar is far more efficient and there is no extra transmission required. Utilities don't need to consume vast tracts of land just to provide power to customers.
> retail price
Utilities in California (by law) already deduct fees out of this, so it's not reimbursed at full retail rate anyway under old NEM rules. There's also an absolutely massive gap between retail and wholesale rates that could be explored.
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> increased demand over the coming years, including data centres, cryptocurrency miners and greenhouses.
Price them out. Don't give sweetheart deals to uses that aren't beneficial to the local economy. Additionally, these uses don't necessitate baseload. Crypto should be using cheap, renewable variable power sources. I'm genuinely curious what greenhouses means in this case. Heating indoor crops in the winter? Geothermal would be more effective for this. [1]
I would imagine this varies, but is a much smaller problem than e.g. heating up water habitats (data center cooling) or burning fossil fuels.
Not to mention that the dams in Washington state do account for spawning/migration and slow down flows at certain points of the year.
To push back on this, there is a centurys' old technology for this in hydro. There's also an emerging field of geothermal.
The Pacific Northwest (both sides of the border) has an abundance of hydropower that was installed decades ago and provides clean, reliable, baseload power.
Geothermal has its challenges, especially at utility scale where geographic location is important and not typically close to population centers. On a smaller scale it is not geographically a problem, but not as economically viable for individual homeowners. It makes more sense when a large corporate is investing in it [1].
[1] https://news.microsoft.com/2022/04/20/microsoft-redmond-camp...
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