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> Rather its success demonstrates how one form of persuasion was more effective than another.

This is true. I'm not sure anyone has demonstrated it working the other way though so it seems to be infinitely more effective.

It's happening again now with EVs. "The EU is forcing you to swap your car for an expensive EV with their Euro6 rules." There doesn't seem to be any come back to it at all.

> European here. I squarely blame the business, and often turn back when hit by a particularly obnoxious banner.

You're in the minority. Most people will not think every business is responsible for that, they'll assume they're being forced into it.

> The bendy banana thing isn't a law, it's a class descriptor.

Missing the point. Even with millions of pounds you can't convince a majority of people that is true.

> Haven't changed my mind in the slightest on that. Brexit was a stupid idea and as far as I can see, the UK failed to profit from it.

Continue to miss the point here. It doesn't have to be a good idea, years of meddling made it so people were willing to vote for a bad idea. That's my point.

> Have you never met an Apple user that carried around both Lightning and USB-C cables?

Have you ever met someone that just has an iPhone? There are considerably more of them than those carrying ipads and MacBooks and switches and the like.

Maybe one of the Musks this person doesn't want would build trains. It's another huge undertaking.

Great term. Sometimes, I think I must live on a different continent.

It comes down to interest I think, for someone with a bunch of devices and online all the time it sounds great when the EU forces USBC through for example. Even though they don't generally have a good view of how ordinary people interpret it either.

But at the far end something like the damage the common agricultural policy has for ordinary europeans is completely lost on them. There would never be any interest in how it impacts people.

This is the exact problem though, noone really cares what the law says, they care that now they have annoying cookie banners. They don't blame the businesses for this; they blame the EU. The more of this they layer on the more ordinary people get irritated by the EU.

This is how Brexit happened, remain tried to explain this stuff over and over again and no one wants to hear it. They want the cookie banners gone, or the bendy banana rules gone. The EU makes itself an easy target everytime they add more.

If nothing else was learned from Brexit that should have been the thing. There actually isn't a point where you can spend enough money to convince people of this stuff when they don't want to hear it.

> the general sentiment towards government regulation in europe, which is typically, "more, better".

I'd need to be convinced that's true. More regulation was a huge part of the successful campaign to get the UK out of the EU. It seems to get effusive praise in places like this, but in daily business, I generally hear the term GDPR spat. Is anyone expecting the incoming car regulation around beeps and bongs every time you approach the speed limit to be received well by ordinary people? The USBC stuff that this article heaps praise on is a great example, techies love it, everyone else in everyday life I've only heard complain about it. Maybe it improves things long-term, but I can't remember hearing anyone say "more, better" about any of these things.

I would say the overall sentiment I've heard is that there is a general suspicion that the reason European business lags so far behind the US is that we're held back. I don't think the handful of people that will be able to play Fortnite on their iPhones will change this. It certainly wont if they end up needing multiple app stores for their daily apps.

"They were behaving like Elon Musk. And we certainly don’t want more Elon Musks in the world."

I'm not a fan of his behaviour on Twitter, but the idea that the world does not want more Elon Musks seems insane to me.

Theyre not for me personally, but whatever you think about Teslas I don't see how you would not want a person who can build a new car company. Just look at other entrants like Rivian, it's so hard, and he managed to will that into existence.

The fact that I can then move onto SpaceX is unbelievable. He willed reusable rockets into existence and made it into a sustainable business. Starlink, just look at starlink. Where is Blue Origin?

Would we really not want more of that, even if it led to more nonsense on Twitter?

Great car. Suffers from some of the touchscreen-itis but nowhere near the Tesla nonsense. Not even in the same ballpark.

I think my BMW X5 has the best middle ground for buttons vs touchscreen. I think in the new one they've moved more towards my i4 setup though which is too far on the touch screen.

The X5 has nice push buttons on the steering wheel for media control and stuff like cruise and lanekeep functions. Then it also has heating controls, a volume knob, and some shortcut buttons I can control. All the other gubbins is in the touch screen which works fine.

My i4 moved heating controls to the touchscreen too and dropped the shortcut buttons which is annoying. It still has the nice steering wheel buttons though and a volume knob but it's heading the wrong way IMHO.

There is zero chance of me trusting that, not that the Cybertruck will ever be allowed on European roads.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-alarmed-cybertrucks-steering-...

You're asking me why the real world works like it does. Citizens vote from a handful of candidates that have competing priorities. One of those priorities is going to be supporting the huge companies that support them, even if it's for non-selfish reasons like their own economy.

If we put aside how we wish things were or how they should be, the point I was musing on is that large companies can influence politicians in the US. The EU depends on the US in many ways, with energy and physical security probably being top of that list right now. With those things being true, there must be a point where politicians in the US, seeing the damage being done to some of the biggest companies in their own economy by a group dependent on them, start to apply pressure to back them off. If these politicians wanted their companies regulated like this they would do it themselves presumably.

I’m quite sure I didn’t give an opinion either way. I’m also not that interested in how things “should” be. I was just musing that at a certain point there might be political blow back in the US towards a continent that doesn’t have a lot of leverage.

I wonder how many billions in fines the EU can take out of US companies before they start to get political blowback.

Maybe it's a mismatch in requirements. For me, I move it into greyscale to give my monkey brain less reason to want to play with it. The intention when it's enabled is that if I need to set a timer or jot down a note that I don't get sucked into the device. When I'm done in a deep work mode, I switch it back to normal screen.

So for me, the whole point is I won't be using it enough to notice eye strain or something like that. If I'm messaging or doing something the device is designed for, it's a benefit for me to be able to have it in full fidelity.

There are a few system options in focus states but not this. I’d like to see them expand it for more of these low distraction techniques.

Yeah I don’t disagree. But on the whole I think it gets you a long way towards it without the cons of having two devices for example.

Just the greyscale needs a shortcut automation.

Most of it is just in focus modes settings: alerts, notifications and things like that.

For greyscale you use shortcuts. There’s an automation tab, you set up on a focus mode being enabled then “set color filters on” and then the opposite for that focus mode being disabled.

You can do a lot of this on an iPhone if you use focus modes and automations.

I have a deep work mode that sets a blank Home Screen, turns off always on display, sets the phone to greyscale and only allows notifications from my wife.

It feels like something like this gets you most of the way there and you can then have different focus levels that ramp up potential distractions. All without carrying two devices or giving up the modcons.

I thought they were just big usbc dongles that slot into the device? Surprised that's not hot swappable.

Which would be fine except the people interested in tech have less ability to spread their message than those that would like to weaken the EU.

Fine, almost everybody. If there was any way to verify though, I'd put money on the numbers of people irritated by cookie banners and geo-blocks for websites was enough to tip the Brexit vote. I think the EU needs to be very careful about how these regulations are viewed by normal people.

No, but a bad decision at this point is going to be tricky to resolve due to the type of user that might end up using it.

The only people who might be influenced by this popup are people who don't know that other browsers are an option. Are these the people that is makes sense to drop them into a random browser, are they going to be able to make a good choice from this popup do you think?

Is there a benefit to dropping some unsuspecting user into Opera, for example, and letting them deal with the myriad of incompatibility issues for the sake of an illusion of choice?

Is there a benefit to you, the expert user, to getting this popup when the first place you're going in Safari is the Chrome download page anyway?

But this is the argument with the cookie banners again, isn't it? "Surely choice isn't a bad thing", except that everyone hates them and just clicks allow anyway. At least this regulation is only going to annoy people in the EU and not globally this time.

What role levels are you applying to where you are advocating for a specific direction?

Is this how Tado does home WiFi detection for geofencing?

Our company has an app that does geofencing and we’ve had no end of issues getting it to work consistently. This would have been useful.

> Holmes got 9 years, but her actions had severe real world effects on people.

My understanding is she was convicted for financial bits, not harming people.

> I paid £1899 for my M1 Pro. The M2 Pro was £2149. The M3 Pro is £1899 again for same spec.

Just take a look at the last several years of GBP/USD. Our currency was in the crapper for a while and that impacted prices.

I wonder if that's true. You're putting the animal out of its misery in many cases, but for a lot of people in the room you're a key part of one of the worst moments for them. I think of the last one I went though that was unexpected, how many people have to stand in a room and watch two grown adults lay on the floor and truly sob, to see their hearts break. I can't imagine the empathy for the love people feel for animals makes it any easier.