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birk··on Polar v1.0: Let’s Fix Open Source Funding
> will have to experiment with different approaches to getting funded on a regular basis and come up with their own mix of solutions

Couldn't agree more. Sponsoring issues/features is our 1st offering with Polar, but our goal with v1.0 is to have a suite of add-on services that maintainers can sell on-demand or as part of a subscription.

We started with issues/features since they're universal to all open source initiatives and where demand is first represented & communicated most often today. Lots of challenges to solve there too be sure, but solvable.

birk··on Polar v1.0: Let’s Fix Open Source Funding
Polar could certainly be abused that way, but I think it's a theoretical problem more than a realistic one.

Open source operates in a marketplace today (just not an economic one) so market dynamics would flush this out imo. Intentional bugs, stale development etc would lead to user churn and/or forks. I'd argue faster within OSS where users can see how things are handled.

Having said that, I certainly think the risk of it and fraud more in general increases once an economic marketplace is formed. However, I think those problems are then "good" problems to have and easy ones to fix, e.g flagging repositories with unusually high ratio of repeat pledges, velocity of bugs etc.

birk··on Polar v1.0: Let’s Fix Open Source Funding
Unfortunately, this is the default by GitHub and their OAuth prompt and nothing we can change. See https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/37117

Most of our API integration is purely about synchronising repositories, issues & PRs (read-only). With the exception of 2 things. 1) Inject the Polar badge. We then edit the issue body to append it at the bottom. 2) You can explicitly post a comment as yourself via Polar when you badge an issue, but this is entirely optional and merely a convenience feature would you want to. Requires manual & clear action.

birk··on Polar v1.0: Let’s Fix Open Source Funding
Big fan of what you're building with Ringer. Would love to chat more if you're interested. You can reach me at birk [at] polar.sh
birk··on Polar v1.0: Let’s Fix Open Source Funding
Fantastic questions & feedback – thank you @bogwog!

1. Yes they can, but they remain anonymous and private only for the maintainer to see and take action on. Currently, we don't have automation for explicit rejection/approval, but something we want to add. Completely agree re: maintainer control – it's a core principle of ours.

2. Not today, but I absolutely love this idea. Added it to the backlog: https://github.com/orgs/polarsource/discussions/855

3. Agree. We have a lot of plans here for the future. Definitely think this is a huge opportunity long-term.

birk··on Polar v1.0: Let’s Fix Open Source Funding
Great feedback, I really appreciate it! Will definitely fix
birk··on Polar v1.0: Let’s Fix Open Source Funding
That would be me :-) My name is Birk Jernström (@birk on Twitter). Been coding since I was 10y. Co-founded an e-commerce platform called Tictail back in 2011 which was acquired by Shopify in 2018. Worked there for 3y as Director of Product on the Shop.app team. In hindsight building platforms that empowers creators (one form or another) is what I love to do. As a self-taught developer thanks to open source, I'm incredibly excited to now focus on OSS with that mindset.

I'm biased of course, but I think the fact that we're VC-funded and for-profit is a good & important difference here. Donations & sponsorship are great when they happen. Problem is they rarely do. In order to drive meaningful (full-time work) capital to OSS initiatives, I believe it has to charge for add-on value and that such services and subscriptions are mutually beneficial. See mkdocs-material as a prime example.

We're building a platform to make setting up, deploying and managing such services seamless for both maintainers and their customers. Completely up to the maintainers to craft their services & subscriptions using those features to fit their initiative & community. I think such a platform is missing today and our model aligns us with maintainers – we don't get paid until they do. So it's good that we're intentionally for-profit :-)

Yes, it's going to be incredibly hard and the odds are stacked against us, but I believe this needs to exist. Maintainers deserve a platform where they are not limited to any given model, but free to experiment, try and optimize what works best for them and their communities.

birk··on Polar v1.0: Let’s Fix Open Source Funding
That's awesome and thanks for sharing @jph! I'd love to hear your feedback and how we can make Polar better for you. I'm always available to chat. @birk (twitter), birk [at] polar.sh or on our Discord.
birk··on Polar v1.0: Let’s Fix Open Source Funding
Sorry about that, but happy to clarify anything.

You can pledge behind any open source issue that's on GitHub today. Just simply need to replace github.com in the URL with polar.sh or goto polar.new and drop the link.

We'll then reach out to the maintainers if they're not on the platform. Will soon ship so that an automatic comment is made (once). We don't want to create spam in the issues.

birk··on Polar v1.0: Let’s Fix Open Source Funding
Hey, Birk here (founder of Polar). Thank you so much @patrick91 for sharing our post here and thank you @mfts0 for the kind words.

Completely agree. I believe open source – as one of the largest and most important ecosystems in the world – is deserving of having a thriving "creator economy". Combined with it being a win-win for the users (businesses and individuals).

But such a platform needs to be bespoke for open source and its nuances vs. focused on content creation. It can't be a silver bullet solution either. All projects are different. So with Polar, we aim to build out a suite of all the possible value-add offerings, but allow maintainers to experiment, tweak and adapt to make it fit their initiatives and communities.

We have our work cut out for us. It's going to be insanely hard and fixing funding is the holy grail, but it's an important mission to pursue and I'm convinced a creator economy will form since current models are not beneficial to anyone. Just a matter of who & how. That's why I think it's crucial we're building it open source ourselves to truly build in public and serve maintainers through quick iterations and based on their needs, what's working etc. Fun times :-)

birk··on Generating Income from Open Source
Great article! I started https://polar.sh to help maintainers get more funding + insights about their customers & their needs. Long-term building tooling for managing all up sold services and customer management.

I definitely agree that 1) we need to convert companies more, but 2) it won’t happen with the traditional sponsorship/donations model. They need to be able to quantify the value of their investments.

With the first version of Polar, we aim to provide that while giving maintainers better insight on needs & funding to develop efforts that align with their vision.

birk··on Ask HN: Who is hiring? (February 2023)
Polar | Remote (Europe) | Founding team | Frontend Engineer | Backend Engineer | Full-time

Let’s fix open source funding and build delightful and powerful tools for open source maintainers to build organic businesses around their projects.

We’re well-funded (pre-seed) for a few years and currently building the initial product and the founding team to help shape it and the company for the future.

Looking for:

- Senior or Staff Frontend Engineer (TypeScript, NextJS/React, TailwindCSS)

- Staff Backend Engineer (Python, FastAPI, Postgres, SQLAlchemy, Celery, Docker)

Please contact me directly (Birk @ birkjernstrom@gmail.com) if you’re interested!

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