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My guess is Article 5 could be invoked as this is an attack on an uninvolved NATO member. I wouldn't count on it though for other reasons
> Countries or governments facing elimination aren’t the most rational actors.
Even in a partially rational logic this is hard to explain. Qatar and Oman were their close friends but attacking might make sense because exerting pressure on the US might be more important, and that relationship is based on fear anyway.
Turkey is quite capable on its own and given this might end with Iran still standing, this is not (another) enemy they want to make
Worse yet, it was reported the US and Israel are planning to prop Kurdish forces in Iran, of which Turkey are fearful of any instance of national ambitions. So, in essence they could have been on Iran's side.
Hard for me to figure out a strategy here
In any case a contrarian opinion might be that Iran promised to yield on negotiations following the previous war as mentioned here:
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iran-asks-gulf-ara...
And Iran instead opted for their years old tactic of stalling the negotiations
Finding these take time so I am sorry if this is going to be the last of these sources I'll paste, for example Bahrain luxury apartments building being hit:
https://edition.cnn.com/world/video/bahrain-iran-drone-strik...
US warning that high rise buildings in Bahrain are being targeted by Iranians drones:
dubai airport, residential buildings, hotels, ports - https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/several-loud-blast...
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2026/03/01/i...
Bahrain - https://bh.usembassy.gov/security-alert-update-5-u-s-embassy...
You can google for other targets in Qatar, Oman, Jordan, Iraq, Cyprus and Kuwait
Yes, OP was already saying Iran is free to act because the US is an imperial power. I was merely stating that he is conveniently ignoring Iran's imperialist behavior
To me it absolutely looks like the case in here, what are the chances three availability zones across two different countries have been attacked?
This is probably military strategy 101 not to push your enemies together when they are having a rift
That's called Imperialism and was common among european powers in the 19th century
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj98egkl7l1o https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/20/what-are-chago...
> The US-Israeli strikes were launched after negotiations to limit Iran's nuclear programme ended without a deal. The UK did not participate.
The issue is that they are also attacking their closest friends in the region, as opposed to the other gulf nations which were merely pressuring the US not to attack due to fear.
They have thrown the stone in the metaphorical glass house towards the oil facilities very early in the conflict.
I think this is more an issue of mismanagement rather than strategy. They probably do have a very acute command and control issue due to the strikes.
It's also a good preview of how Iran with nuclear weapons would play out
Their actual current explanation is that they can't control their armed forces
I also am not sure about Indonesia as an example of a US ally, I don't think it is similar to the other two
Effectively both SK and Taiwan were completely dependent on US for defense, I doubt this had no bearing
Reread your parent comment, the concept of a threshold nuclear state is that they are constantly a month away, for years. That's the entire point, being effectively a nuclear state without holding a nuclear weapon
Yes, although it had merit it was far worse than what can be signed now, especially the sunset clause was problematic
> Seriously, though: how can Iran both be so powerful we must avoid it becoming a blackmail state, and so weak and feckless it's not a threat to anyone?
that's the nature of nuclear weapons, your conventional force can be abysmal (pretty much NK situation vs US) and yet you can create epic destruction
> And didn't we already attack them to stop them from getting nuclear capabilities?
Yes, the thing here is the long term goal of signing a deal, whose main goal is removing the existing highly enriched uranium from Iran and restricting their ability to redevelop nuclear capabilities. Essentially this is the part where "Diplomacy is the continuation of war by other means" (to highly paraphrase), because the alternative to a deal is maintenance attacks such as these every two years