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Originally presented by a fake news article about one being discovered, it's a pretty neat device. Basically just a plug computer that you hide near a public AP which then mitm's all the AP's web traffic and according to a set of rules rewrites news headlines.
I take it you think there is something intrinsically wrong with that idea?
Oh, I feel so much better now.
Furthermore, the faster you drink the less people care about how you act. People at exhibit openings tend to get positively sloshed.
I was going to say this. Using an US-East micro instance reserved for 3 years is cheap as hell for my screen/irssi and occasional VPN needs. The cost per month is something like the change I currently have in my pocket.
The concept itself that is presented is quite sound: If you cannot tell that it's not intelligent, how can you say that it is not?
I cannot think of a better test. The only weak point as I see it does not say anything one way or the other about intelligence that is fundamentally different from our own (for example: doesn't happen to use natural language).
Longbets is fine, but such unfounded speculation doesn't have much use in serious conversation.
"proving the position proving the position"
It seems like you might be misunderstanding the role of science.
Anyway, comparing creating intelligence to creating gravity is nonsensical. I literally cannot make sense of that.
In particular I would be interested to hear what some of these phenomena are. See, the lack of a "concrete explanation" isn't really a useful thing to say about something. We don't yet have anything that could be called a "concrete explanation" of even things like gravity. What we do have are theories that allow us to make useful predictions about how gravity will effect things. Imperfect as those, like all, theories are, we've still put stuff on other planets with them.
There certainly are many "open problems" in science, but to my knowledge we have yet to ever encounter anything that is fundamentally beyond the grasp of the physical sciences. Take for example the Coronal Heating Problem: On the surface it seems to violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics (which is some rather heavy shit...) but even in extreme cases like that science solders on. There are numerous hypothesis that have been proposed to explain it, and over time our understanding of it will only become more robust.
Anyway: To address this particular concern I'd like to say that until we have any strong evidence to suggest that humans possess a more powerful model of computation than we already regularly reason about, we have to assume that they do not.
Biology is really not much more than a self-replicating subset of chemistry. Without evidence to suggest something sort of psuedo-supernatural difference between the simplest of single cell organisms and homo sapiens, I think the only reasonable position is that whatever it is that "preforms" intelligence falls under the realm of the physical sciences.
Until we acquire evidence to suggest otherwise, it is silly to assume anything else.
After that, it's just a question of engineering.