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Obamas is making movies for Netflix and living in Martha's Vineyard. I don't see him in the same category as MLK. At all. Veblen's Theory of the Leisure Class is applicable.

Just have to measure things differently.

GDP grows even if someone profits while producing sewage, cause someone else profits from clean up. If you call both Growth naturally DeGrowth doesn't make sense.

Take the Attention Economy which is HN is a micro example off. People's finite Attention is being pulled and pushed here and there, traded, captured or stolen. But the only thing that get measured is Growth in views or ycombinators net worth.

Cuz the US economy is 80% consumption and 20% production, compared to say the Chinese economy where its more like 50-50.

So its complex to rebuild manufacturing after outsourcing it all away, and concocting stories for decades about how "advanced and developed" economies don't build factories, they just design stuff and provide services.

Someone needs to come up with a Efficient society hypothesis.

Its weird Zuckerberg has accumulated all this data about social dynamics and no theories have emerged yet.

Look at the Brits. The current gen can't play the same games their grand parents did even if they are well programmed and super ambitious. They have to invent new games. And agree mindless ambition is a big issue.

"Security" as provided by the Pentagon/MIL complex is an evolution of what the Brits used to do to maintain order across the Empire. After the Empire fell, the Americans basically cut and paste that policy, where the goal is mainly about protecting the flows of capital and trade. Colonial legacy and thinking needs a total reboot. Will die out naturally as boomers trained in that kind of thinking pre-globalization die out.

No need to fear anything. Will be handled similar to Parasites and Pandemics. Scale is over rated, if the host gets drained and dies too quickly. Past couple decades have taught corporate wonderland how to combine mindlessly ambitious people(parasites) and button press scalability, to generate mesmerizing levels of profits. But the scheme is getting old. Everyone has copied the model. The host is taking more hits than it can afford. And therefore there is greater recognition about which parasites to keep locked up and which can be safely controlled.

But there is more content than there are people who can watch it. What do you think happens when the production curve grows way past the consumption curve?

Maybe cause when you take down one Billionaire and get away with it, the temptation to take down another increases. Russian oligarchs need to go if US/EU is serious about regime change there.

Yup an Involution.

To construct anything socially, boundaries or islands, are required protected from the rest of the universe.

Globalization, or the interconnecting of all kinds of societies and social constructs, within and across national boundaries, has thrown things up in the air. People who used to call the shots and gained a lot through globalization, are flailing around helplessly, cuz what they gained doesn't help them control anything.

Look at cash, flowing instantly from one shell company to another, across city/state/national boundaries, avoiding tax, constantly multiplying, more and more disconnected from any social requirement or purpose.

The fact that those who call the shots aren't in control is where salvation lies.

Besides simple rules the other requirement is Altruism. Everyone in the colony takes care of the children of one queen.

Can you imagine the chimp troupe doing any such thing? Siblings will kill each other and their kids rather than do that.

People think its related to Ants being haplodiploid.

Altruism in large social groups is something chimps haven't worked out yet. Which is why we have the MIL complex and war.

So if you are an algo engineer check out Haplodiploidy.

Internet is broke man. Real fun starts when drones and missiles start targeting infra of the financial system (central banks/banks/stock market/land registries/insurance/pension funds). Thats when we realize how broke the internet is.

And many of those numbers aren't static. They change.

The Theory of Bounded Rationality emerged as a reaction to growing awareness within the chimp troupe, of the numerous limitations of that chimp brain. Its a useful tool when coping with complex ever changing reality.

Hollow Domination these days. A parasite eating the host.

A large chunk of the profits from American Corporate Wonderland are not due to their offerings on Security, Quality, Service or Product, but through playing market capture/cross border financial engineering games.

Learning takes time.

And most people take time learning how to build things they need themselves. After which they realize they don't need to pay Microsoft rent. This is what any half decent hacker learns with time too. And now we see it happening in China, India etc.

As we see them getting less dependent and offering the same services back to the West at much cheaper prices, what happens at Microsoft is obvious, because this story has played out many times in American Corporate Wonderland -

https://www.geekwire.com/2024/microsoft-lays-off-employees-i...

> Last year, companies laid off more than 260,000 employees

Medical Professional don't have a finance or business background, therefore they and their thoughts matter very little to how corporate wonderland decides anything. Unless some kid of a billionaire dies...

Hegel did tell us Consciousness emerges through the Master-Slave Dialectic. But he used interaction of 2 individuals to keep things simple.

Babies don't come installed with those brains. They take a decade or two to pick up most skills that have any value. And after all that, the vast majority end up playing replaceable support npc roles. What's the energy consumption? To get from - why is the compass pointing north to electromagnetism, it took thousands of years and the activity of millions of brains. We see a highly misleading and compressed version of that computing process in our textbooks. As they say knowledge is inherited wealth. People over estimate how much they deserve it or have earned it.

Finance is the missing skill that the Google founders didnt have. That was the flaw in the plan. They had to defer to others. Thats how one dimensional super optimizers leak into the system and change were the tracks are laid.

Throw in the fact, that after capital became easy to move around the world, financial engineering or taking advantage of cross border differences in interest rates, tax rates, forex, labour costs, real estate prices, subsidies etc etc and quickly buying up the competition anywhere on the planet, can make you more cash than anything a designer or an engineer or a scientist ever produces.

So it really boils down to developing finance skills and finance teams with value alignment or they will dominate business decision making sooner or later.

Once the herd starts stampeding in one direction, we get runaway processes - https://www.racked.com/2017/2/1/14441128/local-news-anchor-i...

Well the plebs are all in debt and have no cash to steal. They are already being exploited to the hilt by every mindless over optimizing corporate robot.

Its how the Elite are reacting to their data floating around is what should be focused on.

They aren't calling for changes in companies, cause companies are proactively running to them with "new services" to protect them and their families and well paid servant class (ie the exec class) who are all quite clueless and constantly get into all kinds of cyber trouble. Google "cyber concierge" services.

Thanks!

Anyone know why this happened -> "Changes in the earth orbit around 18000 BC cause the ice caps to melt"

Well these observations have nothing with to do with the main conundrum -

How do you keep a group of chimps who all have different interests, personalities, needs, beliefs, values, upbringings, culture, religion, language, history etc etc in sync?

And these days groups grow quite large quite fast.

Historically, if you take rewards, bribery, force, domination and manipulation out of the story, the babblers/non threatening people can bridge differences as groups grow larger and larger in size.

No solution is perfect, cause its quite an unnatural thing for groups to form around anything. Given all the differences.

Just try to work with your entire extended family on a project, and watch what kind of strange rituals, stories and behaviors keep the group from breaking apart.

People have done it at city scales.

See Singapore. Govt is the biggest landlord there (but the reason they did it was not because they cared about human rights or anything, but as a part of "infra" development to draw in foreign investment and MNCs and their employees to set up shop in Singapore). It has worked out quite well on both fronts.

Vienna, Austria is also constantly used as an example - https://www.visitingvienna.com/culture/social-housing/

The backlash is the norm in history.

Info asymmetry can't be "solved" when different groups mentally start diverging having different models of reality in their head. This is happening much faster than in the past with access to info, misinfo, disinfo.

The older gen has not been taught the history and sociology that shaped them, the way the next gen has. There is such a wide gap in this knowledge, people have no control over it. Some people are already busy, night and day blaming school teachers and profs for teaching that history and sociology, but the truth is that is just 1 of 2 options.

To understand the second option look at history and sociology of orthodox populations, and how they survive inspite of all the changes happening, and the rate of change accelerating, the number one reason is they control the flow of info into their communities.

The internet will produce the digital amish and digital ultraorthadox and the digitial taliban. There is no escaping the confrontation with them unless they are all moved to a separate continent or planet.

Its not depth. Its just a landfill. The easier it has gotten for people to publish software, the more the wasteland has grown. No end in sight. I used to contribute to firefox. But have reached the stage where I have uninstalled the browser on my phone. And am half way to uninstalling the browser on my desktop/laptop. I have been building up a content repo offline using Kiwix and Zeal docs for work related stuff, target is to reduce contact with the internet to less than 4 hours a week.

We have 8 billion people on the planet. And there is no plan what so ever to take care of even half of them. It doesn't matter if we see slowing population growth. With globalization there is no reason to be sitting in the same spot. People are on the move.

Content has exploded way beyond eyeballs available. Its not the early days of social media anymore where when 1 view usually meant 1 view. Today that same viewer goes and watches 200 other things, after reading the same shit from their fav messiahs. There is a dilution factor that the Platforms don't advertise.

So don't worry about how much he tweets. He is just caught in a trap searching for more Attention that doesn't exist.

Interesting stuff. So when we train AI on data from across different cultures what happens?

I guess we can see it in kids who grow up exposed to both languages and cultures.