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Technological scavenging in physics and agriculture.
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chicob··on The Peecyclers
This comment might come a little bit too late, but I wouldn't want to give the impression that these numbers suggest using urine as fertilizer is self-sustainable. It is not self-sustainable, and it might not be sustainable in the long term. For many reasons:

- First of all, urea as a fertilizer is not completely effective, because some of it will be drained. Urea can be treated for slow release, but this requires processing. And even in this case, some of it will just be degraded by bacteria (some bacteria will turn it into compounds that plants can use, but generally urea content will fall with time).

- I used total nitrogen from urea, but in reality a part of that nitrogen does not come as urea.

- I also used average yields, which depend on the usage of more powerful fertilizers. Fertilizing with urea alone will lead to smaller yields.

Let's say that average yield woud drop to 50% and that I would need not 53 bu 80 people's yearly urine. That would mean I would only provide enough corn for 120 people each year, for a input of 80, which gives a ratio of 3:2. Seems good enough. Unfortunately this is not the case.

Human urea is the result of human diet and metabolism, which gets nitrogen from many different protein sources. Self-sustainability means that those 120 people would have to eat only corn and meat from corn-fed livestock, or trade this for other protein sources (which would only externalize this unsustainability: some other people's diet would have to change). Even if it were possible to keep up with the same urea output without severe weight loss, this would not be enough:

- First of all, plants use nutrients to grow many inedible parts, and that is an important drain of nitrogen. This also means all plants, not just the ones we eat.

- Livestock would still need food sources other than corn. The above assumptions assume well-fed cattle.

Finally, as someone already noted in another comment, human urine contains a significant amount of salt, and without its removal this could lead to excess salinization that would render the soil infertile in the long term. And the higher concentrations of urea needed could also worsen the already present problem of eutrophication.

But using urine might still be a great help with local, temporary unavailability of better fertilizers.

chicob··on The Peecyclers
All fertilizers and pest control products are locked up. And each year I have to give the government proof of fertilizer usage, with up to date inventories, invoices and fertilization tables for all crops that used solid fertilizers. I also have to sign terms of responsibility provided by the suppliers.

I had some stuff stolen in the past, but never fertilizer.

chicob··on The Peecyclers
The average yield for corn in the US for 2021 was 176.5 bu/ac. This is around 11,9 ton/ha. For 10 ha, a total of 119 ton.[1][2]

How many people this would feed is hard to tell, because it depends on the kind of corn. Some corn is meant for human consumption, some other for livestock feed (which in turn is meant for human consumption. But as a rough estimate one can add these two to find an order of magnitude.

In 2008, the USDA broke down the usage for maize, with 133,4 Mton (5250 Mbs) for livestock and 8,3 Mton (327 Mbs) for human consumption. That year, the US population was around 303.5 million people, so that gives an average of 467 kg (1030 lb) a person each year.[3][4]

So those 10 ha would produce enough corn for 240 people for a whole year.[5]

[1] Assuming around 15% moisture content.

[2] https://www.dtnpf.com/agriculture/web/ag/crops/article/2021/...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maize#Human_food

[4] https://www.populationpyramid.net/united-states-of-america/2...

[5] I ended up doing the calculation in imperial units, to minimize rounding errors.

chicob··on The Peecyclers
Fertilizers can be more than urea, like ammonium nitrate. Urea is also used, although many times it is treated for controlled release. Apart from that, some math is in order.

Let's say I need 200 kg/ha of a 12-6-6 NPK fertilizer for post-sowing 10 ha of some crop, like corn. (This is a little short of 180 lb/ac for a total of ~25 acres. I'm in Europe, and I don't know what would be a typical value for the US).

This fertilizer has 12% w/w of total nitrogen, so for the total area my needs are 240 kg of nitrogen (~530 lb).

An adult will produce an average of 1,4 L (0.37 gal) of urine daily, with a nitrogen content of 8,83 g/L, so this means a total of 12,36 g/day, or 4,5 kg/year (~10 lb/year).[1]

So I'll need the urine that 53 people pee for a whole year for this single crop. A six tower pivot has something around 4 or 5 times that area. And this area can be used twice a year for different crops. The average US farm has 445 ac.[2]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urine#Characteristics [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/196106/average-size-of-f...

chicob··on The Peecyclers
Around 3,5 g of sodium per liter.
chicob··on A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit
There is nothing more annoying than a Customer Support Chinese Room of Kafka, where tickets are transferred around only to take us back to square one each time.

And if plausible deniability from senior management would just add insult to injury, plausibly, claiming that things are taken seriously when things are obviously being neglected is just gaslighting.

chicob··on A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit
“We have longstanding employee and supplier policies in place to prevent discrimination and conflicts of interest, and we take those seriously.”

Isn't adding a superfluous "and we take those seriously" the rhetorical equivalent of pouting?

Every time I read this - after an account suspension, for example - the impression I get is that no, they don't really take those things seriously. They're just improvising or leaving it for the algorithm.

chicob··on The case for expanding rather than eliminating gifted education programs (2021)
[...] school systems are making the decision to contract or eliminate their gifted education and advanced academic offerings. On the surface, this seems logical. If I’m leading a system in which the population of eighth graders taking Algebra I has a disproportionate number of white and Asian students, then eliminating Algebra I as an offering for eighth graders looks like an obvious pathway to equity.

This doesn't seem logical at all. It sounds like sweeping under the rug. I'm assuming that what is obvious here is that these programs reproduce inequity, and are not a cause of it.

[...] As these scholars argue shutting down gifted programs only deepens the inequities for brilliant, underrepresented students of color and adds another barrier to unlocking their genius.

Does one really need scholars for this?

chicob··on Growing food in hard clay
Soil compaction can happen for many reasons. The first step is to know your soil, and not jump right into solutions for a problem we don't fully understand.

As a farmer, my advice would be:

#1 Analyze you soil for profile, pH, organic matter and macronutrients. Show the results to a professional and ask for advice. Most lab analyses parameters will stand for a couple of years, so it pays off. Besides, doing the wrong thing once can ruin you soil for decades.

#2 Look around. Is the problem uniform for a wide area or is it just you? Are there any water sources or creeks nearby? Cattle grazing? Is there a history you can check?

#3 Choose your crops having in mind the resources you have. Maybe you soil is terrible for a given crop and quite good for another. Maybe you should just let it be, or maybe not.

#4 Don't go online before speaking to a professional. Avoid guru-based farming/gardening, and be skeptical as a rule of thumb. This applies to my own advice as well.

I know a garden isn't a farm. But still, it's about doing things right and achieving results rationally, isn't it?

chicob··on Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it
Address bar commands that substitute a given argument in a URL when a given search key is used.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_bookmark

For searching in Hacker news, I saved the URL 'https://hn.algolia.com/?query=%s' with the search key 'hn'. So when I want to search something around here, I just type

    hn something
which then replaces the %s variable with 'something'

   https://hn.algolia.com/?query=something
There is Javascript code that allows for two or more arguments, but saving that as a bookmarklet isn't as neat.
chicob··on Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it
I use smart bookmarks most of the time, if not Duckduckgo (which has !bangs). I almost always go to Wikipedia first.

If I don't find what I want right away, I usually assume I am not trying hard enough.

chicob··on Why All Cryptocurrency Should Die in a Fire
Well, dinosaurs, being a clade, are pretty common if you think of birds.
chicob··on Shaving is an example of how consumer products extract more money
Reading this was a thank you moment like I haven't had for a while. I completely agree with this critique of modern, consumerist nonsense.

The only exception is I can still easily buy a single piece of fruit.

chicob··on Hide a photo inside another photo
The next step would be to hide an animation within another, in the APNG format. But I ignore if there is any compression that would make this impossible.
chicob··on The illusion of evidence based medicine
Well, yes. My point was simply that the title misrepresents the article, because it is ambiguous. "The illusion of evidence based medicine" can be interpreted as a statement of how the aim of evidence based medicine is illusory. The short introductory paragraph, "Evidence based medicine has been corrupted by corporate interests [etc]" furthers this idea, having a somewhat definite tone, as if this corruption were fatal to any proper scientific inquiry.

The rest of the article dissipates this confusion rather quickly.

Stepping back a little, how would one react to a title such as "The illusion of medicine", making the same general argument?

chicob··on The illusion of evidence based medicine
Why not? Greed is not just some intangible human feeling. It can take the form of corruption and regulatory capture whose motivation, in the case of large pharmaceutical companies, is profit.
chicob··on The illusion of evidence based medicine
After reading this article I find only one problem with it, and that is the title.

The problem the authors have so perfectly characterized has nothing to do with the emphasis on evidence that medicine requires, but on the distortion imposed on the system by large pharmaceutical companies.

The reality of the obstacles standing in the way of rigorous testing for drug or therapy effectiveness does not make evidence-based medicine an illusion.

In fact, the authors actually make a strong argument in favor of evidence-based medicine, by stating the need to acknowledge these biases. And that the reason for all these biases is greed.

chicob··on Open Textbook Initiative
Great initiative! I love it.

I'm trying to get people interested in developing a model for an open, digital, printable, free textbook, that anyone could access online, download, in full or in part, share, or print if necessary.

The general idea is to create dematerialized textbooks, organized in modules: an officially approved minimum basis, and additional optional modules. Redundancy would be allowed for easy adaptation to local needs. Learning and teaching communities could also make contributions.

Bundles could then be customized or made available in presets. Schools could have their own official bundles, and students could get them in print in libraries, online, and the digital versions would, of course, have open formats.

The best example is that of a Math textbook, that allows for direct translation, and which main contents never get old.

So, for example, LaTeX modules would be made available online, and compiled into one document as needed. Indexes would, of course, need to me made universal in some way. And bundles would get their own UID, for easy sharing.

Today, the available digital textbooks are heavily copyrighted walled gardens, and their licenses expire after some time, so they're broken by design. But their contents are, for the most part, already Commons. So what gives?

When I started writing this comment, I had in mind that the Portuguese Ministry of Education had spent around 40 M€ buying textbooks from large publishers that are distributed for free to students in need, in a voucher system. While checking this, I found recent news reporting that this value, in the Portuguese national budget for 2019, had underestimated the cost by 100 M€ (and that year's budget had a surplus of 0,2% of the GDP...). I expect that an annual sum this large would be more than enough to fund a long term project.

chicob··on Farm equipment security at DEF CON 29
Farmer here. I've been saying for years to my fellow farmers that equipment security shouldn't be dismissed.

I did not focus much on tractors, though, but automatized irrigation systems that allow remote access and configuration. When choosing my own options, and since I never had the information I needed, I always chose the simplest solution, i.e., local manual configuration without remote access.

Around here the public water supply is remotely controlled, but like an Intranet, via optical fiber. I suspect this has to do not only with poor reception in remote locations but also with security. But water meters are accessed via SIM, I think.

Every time I mention any concerns with security, however, these are met with skepticism. The usual inability to foresee third-parties' motivations, in variations of

"Why would anyone want to interfere with my equipment?"

are very common. And I admittedly lack the skills to raise concerns for this issue past saying that ignorance of threats doesn't make them go away. My only hypothetical case is systematic crop failure due to poor irrigation associated with futures markets that depend on yields.

chicob··on Facebook is nearing a reputational point of no return
I can't go past the general tone of this article.

The article acknowledges that Facebook made mistakes, and that its internal reports prove the company knows the harm it can do to vulnerable teenagers. Then these issues are discarded. Apparently, Facebook even had some growth after all...

But lying to advertisers? This is deemed as unacceptable, and flagged as a possible beginning of the end.

I know this is the Economist, but when it comes to reputational points of no return, I think that vulgar remark regarding early users' trust did the job.

chicob··on Increased risk of traffic accidents in subjects with latent toxoplasmosis (2002)
Here's a more recent meta-analysis.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00144...

chicob··on Peeron: Lego Set Inventories
Also worth checking: https://guide.lugnet.com/set/
chicob··on Peeron: Lego Set Inventories
There's also Brickset: www.brickset.com/
chicob··on Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest
Yet another power gobble, this time over tweets.
chicob··on Google Stories
Google stories is a dad trying yet again to look hip. We're not the ones who are old. Google is.
chicob··on Stop Using Encrypted Email
I fail to see an argument here. So the author thinks that PGP is not good. Then the author argues against encrypted email?

I'm not sure whether to tag this under 'non sequitur' or ' throwing the baby out with the bathwater'.

chicob··on Federal Judge Upholds Harvard's Race-Conscious Admissions Process
Non-American here.

I have never witnessed the dynamics of reparation policies. The closest thing we have in Portugal, if it could be so called, is the Jewish Law of Return, a bureaucratic shortcut for granting Portuguese nationality to descendants of 15th and 16th century Portuguese Jews that were forced to flee the country, escaping persecution.

In Portugal, the concept of race has been recognized on the fly, and only in terms of the Constitutional Rights of citizens in the case of discrimination. This might change in the near future. As such, I follow this subject in American politics and news, since the USA are an obvious case-study.

As I see it, the fact that the concept of race is meaningless in anthropological terms, as informative as it can be, is not helpful in fighting prejudice in general or racism in particular. A bit like explaining basic geometry to a flat-earther: in most cases, it is pointless. On the other hand, it seems to me that acknowledging the dynamics of the division of people by racial categories (self-reported or not) is a dead end, and one that might betray its very purpose.

At best, this strategy will sustain the social conscience of the issues of race, without eroding the poisonous constructs associated with it. As in other areas of discrimination, like gender, strategies that favour outcome in detriment of opportunity might have some value to it, as this is a kind of social bailout that could just work. In some European countries, positive discrimination works only as a temporary exception.

But unlike social concepts like gender, or nationality, whose fundamental aspects are less troublesome (there being, as far as I know, no equivalent of transgenderness in race) or whose arbitrariness (like geography) can be critically questioned in different fora, race has the problem of been deep rooted in physical appearance and prejudice.

I don't see how a humanist society can deal in a meaningful way with such a stratification without risking to reinforce racist preconceptions. Am I missing something?

chicob··on Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends, a survey has found
That's funny. My first thought was that the narrative being fed here was "men are victims of the patriarchy", and my second thought that maybe The Times would now on be considered "a platform for the man's rights movement's narratives".
chicob··on Volkswagen’s plan to create a new car operating system
The VW guy was talking about the handing over of sensor data to Google in the context of "how much Android" is acceptable, since apparently in his opinion opening up for the MIB is as far as he'd go. The square brackets are Ars Technica's.
chicob··on Why industry is going green on the quiet
for fighting fungal infections

Duh I meant fighting insects. B. thuringiensis has nothing to do with fungi.

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