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I wouldn’t say it’s “the answer” but it is “a candidate answer”
They first is Difficult Conversations, largely about nonviolent communication, which provides a structured template for “learning conversations”. The relevant advice was: when you feel a strong feeling of disagreement, you tell the other person instead of bottling it up, which lets you ll then transition to a listening state. Like: “When I heard that my first instinct was to disagree because of X. At the same time I know you (insert reason like “have different life perspectives” or “are my friend and care about me”) so I would like to learn more.
The second is The 15 Commitments of Conscious Leaders, which offers a metaphor for the mental state between judgement and curiosity they call “the line”. Being “above the line” is a state of curiosity, “below the line” is judgement and defensiveness. The book goes into physiological reasons, the advice they give is to develop strong awareness of your emotions to detect when you go below the line, then use breathing exercises to quickly resurface. They also have other exercises for developing empathy for other points of view you can do on your own, like isolating narratives from facts and working through all possible narratives for a given situation (like “Tom thinks I am incompetent, I think Tom is incompetent, Tom thinks I am competent, I think Tom is competent”)
I’ve used both to some pretty good success so far, after receiving some feedback that I was not listening well.
I’m torn because I think there are genuine cases where I do have more information, but I don’t want to become an argumentative person, and logically if offered a 1% choice to possibly learn something new, it would be more beneficial to learn than to not.
I was thinking next time I could try to guess their assumptions and reasoning and they can fill me in on the difference. Then point out and see if they accounted for any extra information I had.
Relatedly, do you have on Taleb? Given that Taleb and Krugman seem to have beef.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/09/14...
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2019/03/histor...
Yea I also read it that way. Reading between the lines a bit, I see some of a desire for the America in the 50s and 60s, not super uncommon of a sentiment for a variety of reasons.
In retrospect I should have just co-opted the author's language:
> In the struggle between tradition and economic reality, tradition simply ends up being destroyed
If there are two dependent variables: economic reality and tradition, the author wants to fix tradition and find the economic reality which allows for that.
I would posit that historically, the long term trend is for tradition to change to match economic realities, so the way out of this might be to find new traditions which are self sustaining (positive birth rates or birth+immigration as the author says).
> No amount of snappy YouTube videos decrying the “degeneracy” of current elite trends, no amount of influencers selling the “trad lifestyle” to Instagram followers, no amount of pithy arguments aimed at defeating some imagined foe with “facts and logic” will affect these issues in any meaningful way
> In the struggle between tradition and economic reality, tradition simply ends up being destroyed, excepting the few parts that can be adapted to serve completely new ends.
I would posit that a 3rd option exists that the author dismissed, but it would be to move to a new system (which is self-sustaining, unlike birth + immigration that the author dismisses) to match the new realities. I get that conservative thought is that it's safest to cling to that which we know, but with all the changes so far (and to come with automation), it might be as fruitless as running a knowledge economy like a feudal monarchy.
For example:
> In hindsight the 70% prediction was somewhat overconfident, and a prediction of about 45% would have been better
That's a huge post-hoc adjustment, what factors were important? Just because a p70 event does not occur does not mean that it did not warrant a p70 at the time.
It’s the divvying up of ingroup and out group that tend to create disagreements in morality. I.e. we understand forgiveness, but we disagree who is worthy. We understand justice but we disagree who deserves punishment or why.
That tends to make a pretty big difference in results and conclusions.
It was also very confusing to watch the live chat on YouTube. There was no authoritative communication on the official twitter or website about who would be bidding on their behalf. Nobody knew who the person representing ConstitutionDAO was, or if Constitution DAO was even participating at all. A good number of commenters were convinced it was a "rugpull" / scam.
Then as the article says, in the twitter audio room afterwards there was the "Dewey Defeats Truman" thing. Having gone through a few election cycles in the US, I must say it did remind me of election day results, but that's not a compliment.
It’s on YouTube somewhere.
Or summarized: first things seem impossible, then they seem obvious.
> they don't get paid much
which is how I suppose we're on the topic of arguing the semantics of "much". I think GP should have said "as much" to clarify, since this is a comparison between two specific jobs.
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