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> what processes do you have set up to backstop automated decisionmaking?

The companies releasing these models actively encourage the act of automated decision making by them. The entire value proposition is the automation of decisions and knowledge work. It's rare to find a use case for them that isn't offboarding your thinking and therefore agency

See: when they banned guns because of the black panthers.

Correct. They will never not have a social bias. Which leads to the question of, who controls these tools, and what biases are they okay/not okay with specifically training for. Currently they can be seen more as a reflection of broader culture (and even that has problems) but as we're already seeing with Grok they can be tuned at a whim to display any specific ideologies.

> You might be able to be maximally productive some times of the year, but usually you were waiting on Mother Nature to do her thing.

I don't know what that means. When did we have to stop waiting for crops to grow? The only thing that changed for the production side was requiring less humans as machines could do the work of many laborers.

Yeah, that's one specialized piece of automation in a long line of automation throughout history. I'm not sure why taking humans off of the assembly line is a larger deal than taking humans out of agriculture, textile production, or printing?

> ~50 years ago is when automation started to become more than a curiosity in industry

Where did you get that idea from?

Except with the advent of LLMs, scams can run at an unprecedented rate.

US: Threatens own democracy, invades other nations, threatens sovereignty of long standing allies.

EU: Slowly makes laws with consideration of how much power the largest companies have over consumers.

Surely you can tell the difference between these two things.

Can you think of a good way to encode intent into a system?

In this race to the bottom, how is quality compared between vendors by consumers? What are the market forces that will cause thousands of virtual vet vendors that give incorrect information, to beat out the vendors that provide quality work?

Can you explain the differences between using AI "properly" and "improperly" for learning?

What makes you think that LLM vet companies wouldn't bend to the same forces of "over charging"

> is the same nowadays

When did that change?

> this just ends up with Toronto and Montréal (and to a more limited extent, Vancouver)

So, where most Canadians live?

Why would you want that?

So I asked for examples because there is a large difference between "We used to hold parents liable" meaning "we used to, socially, hold parents accountable for raising well adjusted humans" (which I would mostly disagree with) vs. "we used to persecute parents for normative laws" (which I mostly agree with).

I know your point is talking about point 2, but I believe OPs comment was about point 1. But I also still don't know what the "used to" means in the original, do we not anymore?

Oh man where I'm from they'd probably just laugh and put them to bed. jkjk

To be honest I did some brief searching and couldn't find anything! The parent will be liable if someone at your home drinks and drives home drunk, but I couldn't find anything specific about children consuming alcohol alone. It is only illegal to sell alcohol to minor, underage alcohol consumption is explicitly legal if supplied and supervised by an adult.

Now I'm sure if the child were to be young enough other child abuse laws could come into play, but it looks to be exceedingly rare.

Correct me if the US is different, but in the country I live in the onus is on the bar or liquor store if they sell alcohol to a child, not on the parent. Why would it be different for a social media ban?

I don't really see how that is relevant? Isn't that law making a parent responsible for actions their child commits that hurt others? Child protection laws like preventing child labour, not selling alcohol/cigarettes, etc aren't this.

Can you give an example for this?

Give "correlation between immigration and crime" one search. Or don't and just continue to hit on your bigoted dogwhistles

> Stopping crime is a horrible business model

You've obviously not read the 13th amendment...

If you take a look externally to other countries and cities, do you attribute their relative safety to good policing?

So why would Apples AI features change their minds on either of those points?

Why do you think "creatives" have a "seething hatred of AI"?

Where are these "things" you're speaking of? Which governments are deep into leftist ideology right now?

> I remember hearing the phrase "that's not an EFF issue" spoken much more frequently in the earlier part of my time at the organization.

I'm not saying that isn't a valid critique, but from 2001 to 2019 so much more of out culture, politics, and protest have shifted to online spaces (for better or worse). Do you think that the EFF just has _more_ to do now because of the shifting needs of our online spaces and the increased governance on them?

I can't believe such a nonpolitical organization would do this!!! Come on, you either have to be lying or you were never paying attention.

https://www.eff.org/press/releases/activists-sue-san-francis... https://www.eff.org/press/releases/eff-activists-demonstrate... https://www.eff.org/press/releases/media-alert-eff-argues-ag... https://www.eff.org/press/releases/law-enforcement-use-face-... https://www.eff.org/press/releases/trumps-blocking-people-hi... https://www.eff.org/press/releases/comprehensive-legal-refor...

You think the EFF was not political before 2024?

Why would they return "better" results?