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Hardly. I never said, "Foone mustn't say X on Twitter", or even "they should not say X on Twitter". The latest post actually contains the phrase "NEVER POST ME ON YOUR SITE EVER AGAIN." I'm not even gonna say that they should not make this demand, I just find it pretty funny that they think anyone is going to respect it.
* They post something. Someone links to the post here. Someone makes a comment here to the effect of "I think this about what he said". Someone else replies with "actually, it's 'they'". Shitstorm. Therefore, HN is populated primarily by transphobes.
* They post something on Twitter. Someone links to the tweet here. Someone comments on how they wish it was a blog rather than a series of tweets. Apparently the author feels personally attacked by such comments.
* They post something. Someone links to the post here. A Twitter bot tweets the article from here and @s them, therefore they have to keep blocking those bot accounts, and this is apparently HN's fault.
What I find fascinating is that, other than the bots thing, which is now irrelevant because apparently they don't use Twitter anymore, whether someone links to a post of theirs here or not has no effect on them unless they decide to come here and read what people say about it. It's an unusual case of extreme fragility and seemingly wishing to be punished. "Ow! The fire burns me! I should be able to stick my hand in the fire without being burned!"
EDIT: Relevant Twitter thread: https://twitter.com/Foone/status/1440375176604966924?s=20
>When the most powerful telescope could see N lightyears, people believed the universe was N years old. [...]
What are you talking about? Before the 20th century it was believed that the universe was eternal. After then, advances in determining the age came primarily from theoretical models, not improvements in equipment.
>Yet astronomers and cosmologists refuse to learn the lesson, and keep repeating the same mistake.
You seem to be under the misapprehension that the goal of science is to not make incorrect statements. It's not. It's to incrementally (by necessity) learn about reality. There's nothing with the statement "by our best current measurements, the universe is about 13 billions years old" even if tomorrow new findings point to it being twice as old. To demand otherwise would mean that no conclusions can ever be drawn, because necessarily all scientific conclusions are tentative. It is true at all times that tomorrow's evidence may overturn today's conclusions.
Exactly the same happens with artists. The only artists who can claim not to have been influenced by seeing the work of other artists lived tens of thousands of years ago. So what makes it okay to process artwork via some processes but not others, when the ultimate output may in some way copy the input anyway?
What makes you say that? A work is considered derivative with regards to another work, not to an author. If we take your jigsaw example and accept that the final result would not be derivative of any of the works that contributed each individual piece, and then pretend as if in actuality all the sources were from the same artist, what would change that would suddenly make the result derivative from some or all of the original works?
So, yes, what you say may definitely happen, but it's a trend some graphical industries have been on for decades. It's why there are so many fewer professional animators anymore. I wouldn't be surprised if some techniques of traditional animation have been lost by now.
While it's possible that these AI tools will leave some (certainly not all) artists without work, what I think is really going to happen is that artists will harness them to do new things that were simply impossible before, or to make their work easier. Technology rarely destroys jobs; it more frequently changes their nature. Just like how at some points animators needed to know how to use 3D tools when in previous decades they didn't, in the near future graphical artists will need to know how to use AI. It's possible that where there were previously two artists working there will then be only one, but such is life. Demand for art is finite.
That solves a completely different problem, though. I don't think anyone is saying that the problem is one of false attribution, where people are claiming generated images are the work of a particular person. What's being discussed is artists having less work because people generate art computationally rather than commission artists to do it.