digital-rubber

hehe :) i guess indeed fedora is his playground, and probably why i stopped using it. (which was before i even knew the name of the pulseaudio author)

But still think its should have been something new, Fedora-CoreOS until its matured and then decide to overwrite all existing distros with systemd if the need and demand is there, instead of forcing it through the whole community while there is a large part that doesn't want it and it's not even finished or really brings something new to the table.

And yes its the people that follow the 'leading parties' blindly, and they think its cool to roll out something new, in my opinion mainly because it is new and exciting.

With all respects, all the issues you address, should not be addressed with a new process manager which glues and tapes things together as some hot fix.

The processes need to be debugged and fixed. I'm strongly of the opinion that daemons for example, need to start once and not crash at all. I don't want a process manager to decide to restart it, and if that was acceptable, a safe script will do fine. (and hehe don't get me started about process states within systemd, its that process manager that often think processes are still running, while the old init would check for the process, detect its not running, cleanup the pid and start)

I also strongly believe in separation of duties, so 'big systems with many processes' do not exist in my opinion. They all have a specialised function, and only that function.

Also please have a look at the pdf i replied below to snow wrestler about systemd and its future.

Kind Regards DR

Please read the reply below to snowwrestler, check the PDF. As i think it also applies here.

Also please don't put to much faith in the people that roll the packages. It's a kind of dangerous assumption, see history for examples.

Also i fail to see where i have not been civil, I've tried so very hard. Not a single F-word in there ;-)

I agree it wouldn't have to be complicated at all, if simply a new distro was created fully based and compliant with the ideas of systemd, until its mature enough for others to adopt. Instead of overwriting the existing with something that certainly is not proven to be better or best for the job. And many are entering a road where they are not even sure systemd is going to end taking over things, unifying things, making all distros the same.

I know, nor did or do i mean to troll and it will be the only way nowadays to keep using linux as somebody started to learn it, started to like it, and for many now need it, etc. And also will require much more time from them to maintain their new os, while they has a base os to work on for years which suddenly changes drastically, and for many for no proper reason. The time they could have spend on their code, product, service etc. There will be no choice anymore, all will be in the 'CoreOS style' laid out by LP and friends.

http://0pointer.de/public/gnomeasia2014.pdf

The above; This is not linux to me anymore, its something else, something new, and i think, my opinion, is that it should have been setup as something new, not adopted into existing linux distros. Calling it CoreOS, why not release a new distro called CoreOS, and then when the ground/framework is done, have ubuntu, red hat and every package manager/maintainer of each distro roll their CoreOS flavour distro. As this migration is horrible (i can't find a better word).

But i think many simply like 'to ride the wave of 'software' change', be the author having its name above a package for a particular distro, having their names mentioned in the wiki as the author that brought 'the change'. Thinking something new must be better, of course plenty that don't think that and honestly fool themselves there is a need for systemd.

How you can not see that the introduction and adoption of his tools lead to the anger of users that get this forced down their throats? If there was no such thing as pulse audio or systemd, nobody would be upset with him in the linux community. And where i say attacks are justified at all? I hate violence in any form.

I wrote that i would prefer not to see any of his stuff, nor him in the linux community (for of product nr 3 i don't need). The whole discussion is waste of time and space, just like pulseaudio and systemd. And i wrote that one has to realise when others get SO pissed off they want to hire a hit-man, SOMETHING is up, perhaps requires a second thought. Consider making it optional? It's not a crazy idea.

Systemd and PulseAudio are getting pushed down everybody's throat, unasked for. They are both horrible to work with and suck quite a bit, both introduced way prematurely and buggy.

Why did he not roll his own distro fully based on systemd to convince people it is so cool? instead of rolling out his own distro, people responsible for distro package/rolling were convinced it should be added to the default; as it was so much cooler then Sys V Init. Nobody would have wanted to hire a hit-man for him making choices for his own distro. But no the choice was made to infect nearly all distributions with systemd.

And worst, it is not even optional, which is BAD. The package maintainers, the nerds that like to have meetings on what should happen with a certain distribution got convinced, or simply wanted to be the person to implement something new, without giving it some proper thought. It's a task, work where their name is showing. Which makes them think they are cool, special or any other term you think applies! That's what is wrong with people, we are all a bunch of hypocrite bastards, from the most recent baby that got born crying for a mothers tit from mother Theresa that wanted her place in heaven by choosing the life of suffering. It's in our nature.

Sys V Init was simple and transparent, and it worked fine for anybody i knew working with linux, nobody had the need for a systemd like .. lets call it a product as i don't want to use another insulting term, as the author apparently might get his feelings hurt. (one does not write such a blog post as he did, if you DO NOT care).

If his blog post was mine, and i would have re-read it before posting it, i would strongly wonder if i have not done something wrong, striking so many people the wrong way; SO MUCH SO, people want to hire a hit-man. If you need address so much bitching about your 'stuff' and still feel like stuffing it down everybody's throats, you miss some critical wiring in the brain. There were a lot of different paths that could have been chosen, but the path that effects nearly all linux users was chosen… WHY?

Yes i would like it very much if systemd, pulse audio and lennart pottering would disappear from the linux community. That is my personal opinion, shared and or opposed by many, deal with it.

Quite amusing, people down voting my 'minimal worded critique', apparently really like this tool and see a benefit that is non-existing. Apparently can't think beyond a solution to a problem.

Reformatting of ascii/text data, a csv, is not rocket science. Nor 'hacker (news) quality'.

And i hope that nobody afterwards realises that they should not have uploaded their csv file to your website hosted by nsa friendly google. Also adding a warning that people are submitting their data to (google, 3rd party servers you don't control) servers, would be nicer, and makes people perhaps aware that their data goes further then only their own browser.

think it would be actually funny if you did, bogus data that is of course.

But uploading your files to some site that reformats plain text, this does not belong on hacker news imho.

What is this for ridiculous product/ attempt?

HACKER news, not noobs-that-cant-do-shit.