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it's not viktor.ai it's getviktor.com

Strongly agreed. However, some developers have trouble writing clearly and reading lots of text, and therefore prefer oral and interactive + real-time transmission of the information. Those developers, I suppose and hope, are discovering that they can talk out loud to their agents, explain everything interactively, and then the agent can create whatever longer-term artifact it wants to record the understanding. Multi-modal interfaces FTW?

Users are "dumb", and it's a dumb _system_ and dumb business that doesn't plan for that in terms of FTUE, business model, support model, and product flows.

We product makers get to think about our one little product all day, and it's our job to make our product work for the "dumb" users. It's not their job to adapt to us.

Cool question. What form would an answer take? We need some detection benchmark data thats invariant over the period of interest. I hope the data exists but I would be surprised.

Another way to come at it would be mortality data. But that has a bunch of its own problems.

Everything is changing at once, it makes this kind of science so hard.

AI is teaching some people that best practices actually matter.

True but also, the bot is right

Fails to make a prediction. Not even wrong!

What work DO you want the humans to do?

The endless complaining and goalposting shifting is exhausting

You've told the humans:

"Stop staring at screens"

"Stop sitting at your desk all day"

"Stop loafing around contributing nothing just sending orders from behind a computer"

"Touch grass"

but now that the humans are finally gonna get out and DO something you're outraged

"Can AI grow corn?"

Let's step back.

"there's a gap between digital and physical that AI can't cross"

Can intelligence of ANY kind, artificial or natural, grow corn? Do physical things?

Your brain is trapped in its skull. How does it do anything physical?

With nerves, of course. Connected to muscle. It's sending and receiving signals, that's all its doing! The brain isn't actually doing anything!

The history of humanity's last 300k years tells you that intelligence makes a difference, even though it isn't doing anything but receiving and sending signals.

Agreed, it was weird. They were like "yay Obama" and maybe trying to lock him in to doing peaceful things by giving him a pre-emptive prize.

They strayed from meaningful principles and now they are reaping what they've sown.

Came here to say this, I really appreciated "How to Fail At Almost Everything and Still Win Big".

I'm not here to judge the man or everything he did, I'm here to say thanks for the stuff I loved.

> Typically, before people are put in a leadership role directing humans, they will get a lot of leadership training teaching them the skills and tools needed to lead successfully.

I question this.

I wish this interesting story was related to the article.

Wow this is awesome, the AI discussion has the depth and flavor and variety of real discussions online I've seen about my product. https://news.ysimulator.run/item/154

i ask "what details does the piece offer about how to make the proposed alternative happen?"

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i'm told "Almost none.

The only concrete mechanisms mentioned are:

Founding worker-owned cooperatives instead of equity-based startups.

Raising capital as loans rather than selling equity.

“Creative ways to solve the political problem of capitalists’ monopoly on capital.” This is referenced but not elaborated.

No operational steps, no policy proposals, no institutional models, no financing frameworks, no examples of working co-op ecosystems, no strategy for scaling co-ops, and no plan to change investor incentives."

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Dear author, please come back with more specific recommendations. I'm curious what you think early stage startup founders and funders should be doing instead of what they're currently doing. I think you want founders and funders to effectively make massively unilateral economic concessions to early employees, since they are "labor". And then you want those early employees to in turn make massive unilateral concessions to later employees because those are "labor" too.

But what about the rest of labor in society?

Why not instead have massive tax rates on the gains, so that all of society's labor can get in on the fruits, rather than the startups relatively few employees?

They're not taking credit for the product; they're taking credit for _open-sourcing_ it. Which they did.

a simple valid point wrapped in an enormous amount of garbage arguments from both sides. watching idiots argue is exhausting

Their people are different from your people.

Yes it’s not X it’s Y. I dont mind AI as such, but I’m tired of that specific style of writing.

> the majority of all economists are Republican

citation for that please? quick Gemini work gives me the opposite so could you please back that up?

Federal Reserve Economists: A 2022 analysis of voter registration data found the ratio of Democrat to Republican economists at the Federal Reserve System to be 10.4 to 1.

American Economic Association (AEA) Members: Studies have found the D:R ratio among AEA members to be around 4:1 or 3.8:1.

Economics Faculty: One study reported that Democrats outnumber Republicans 4.5:1 among economics faculty at 40 leading universities.

General Survey of Economists: A 2003 survey of American Economic Association members found the voting ratio of Democrat to Republican to be 2.5:1.

https://www.independent.org/tir/2022-fall/political-affiliat...

https://www.independent.org/tir/2022-fall/political-affiliat...

https://www.independent.org/tir/2022-fall/political-affiliat...

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You haven't addressed the primary stated rationale from the linked content: "I try to assist inexperienced contributors and coach them to the finish line, because getting a PR accepted is an achievement to be proud of. But if it's just an AI on the other side, I don't need to put in this effort, and it's rude to trick me into doing so."

> I have friends who are highly educated professionals (PhDs, MDs) who just assume that AI\LLMs make no mistakes.

Highly educated professionals in my experience are often very bad at applied epistemology -- they have no idea what they do and don't know.

We used the previous version of this batch mode, which went through BigQuery. It didn't work well for us at the time because we were in development mode and we needed faster cycle time to iterate and learn. Sometimes the response would come back much faster than 24 hours, but sometimes not. There was no visibility offered into what response time you would get; just submit and wait.

You have to be pretty darn sure that your job is going to do exactly what you want to be able to wait 24 hours for a response. It's like going back to the punched-card era. If I could get even 1% of the batch in a quicker response and then the rest more slowly, that would have made a big difference.

I disagree. I wish that when obscure terms were used, there would be an explanation of that specific term either in the article itself or, failing that, in an HN comment. This is especially helpful because sometimes a term will have multiple meanings in different verticals, which then requires each reader to not only search for the term but work out which context it's all about. Rather than each reader do that work, why not attach a good & appropriate explanation closer to the article itself? That's what I was attempting to do.

> a relatively hostile setup without even local admin rights

Taking a diversion into this -- how about local admin rights to a virtual VM / sandboxed machine? I imagine that would allow developers to be productive, while protecting everything that IT wants to protect.

Once you do that, I imagine everyone will discover the issue isn't actually _local_ admin rights, but having admin rights to a machine that's on the internal network and can access internal company resources. Which might mean that IT has taken a strategy that once you're inside the local network, you have access to lots of valuable goodies. Which is a scary strategy.

> At worst, they are actively working to make their own job redundant and when they're fired, they will own nothing of what they built. All the money from their work will go to the owners who fired them.

Except that's the case with literally every meaningful information-work job. Your goal is to obsolete yourself. If you do it well then your success becomes your calling card for your next job. Your career is a series of such jobs.

> You will not replace me with AI

Ever? Forever is a long time. Or do you mean with today's AI, assuming no improvements are made?

hold the line is an amazing song tho