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But I am addressing it. You cannot make circumstancial exemptions like "if you are currently in the country" to a merit based visa. That way the whole thing can be struck down in court.

And again, we are negatively impacting the entire population with very draconian rules and lock downs. Heavy handedness all around. But somehow none essential foreign influx is just fine? They can come if they have to, clearly.

People are really measuring all this by two standards. If you think it's okay for citizens to be impacted by necessary lock downs, parents not working due to young children staying home, but foreign students are cozy in their home office?

You are not addressing any of my points with any substance. But you have to resort to cursing twice.

I read that. And again, this is a policy. You are not thinking this through, in my opinion.

Think about this in a way an accountable official would think.

Most universities don't know what they will do yet in the fall. If you make an exemption for people who are currently already in the country, what would that solve? It would artificially pick those students over those who happened to travel home for the summer. You can't do that. That would probably make such a rule unlawful. So you have to craft such a "heavy handed" rule in such a way that it doesn't have loop holes that can be exploited. Don't think lawyers didn't review this exemption for weeks.

And my earlier points still stand.

I'm not trying to convince people that this rule is all that good. But understand where it comes from, and don't think it's all because of a particular administration. There is certainly logic to this rule. You may not agree with it, but I might not agree with closed schools either.

I doubt this decision is coming from the WH. It's a very simple calculation made by an agency with different priorities from what might be represented here in this forum.

You have thousands of foreigners, a large portion of which might not be in the country, waiting to return to the US to continue their studies. Many of those countries don't even allow US travelers to arrive at this time. Everybody is urging for caution, but that there are thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of individuals preparing to arrive back here, with possible infections, is something an agency might be concerned about. So naturally, why not prevent this travel from happening in the first place with a policy like that?

Of course it's a heavy handed approach, but so are the lock-downs and closed schools. So we go to great length trying to prevent the spread, we close schools for over 4 month, and some don't even want schools open in the fall, but somehow an influx of half a million students is something nobody should be concerned about?

Those are valid discussions to be had. Assuming right away that this is a way to force universities to open is not a very genuine way of thinking. You cannot encourage full online classes for health reasons, and applaud that on Monday, and on Tuesday complain we don't allow students from all over the world to return just to sit in front of a computer.

Everybody is laser focused on these case numbers, and some states will close schools due to high case counts in the fall, impacting millions of families. If you support that, you should probably also support any measures possible to keep case counts low, including discouraging international travel.

Our tests per Capita don't seem to be behind other countries. It seems to me the "more testing needed" rhetoric is similar to the "we start dieing like flys in three weeks" position. Just triple tests another tenfold and we will be fine? It ignores reality.

I understand your position, and I could agree that it can be one of different strategies to move forward, but a few things are missing in my opinion. You have to clearly state this as your policy. The Powercenter has to declare this strategy to be theirs. This accomplishes a few things. It gives the opposition a clear option to oppose and outline an alternative that could be voted on.

You also have to clearly state what low cases mean. It's been almost four month and everything is random. Random opening. Random closing. But what I see are centers of power avoiding to declare something as their strategy, and share what they consider unacceptable.

What is missing is that no country, not Denmark, or any other country besides maybe New Zealand has eradicated the virus. So we are exactly where we were in February or March. With one difference. We know what groups of people are at risk, and which groups aren't.

Any country that decides to relax restrictions will see a surge in cases, not necessarily deaths, but cases for sure. That's true for sun belt States just as much as for Denmark.

Those advocating for low case counts at all costs are basically advocating to close parts of public life for good. Which can be a meaningful public policy position to have. But then say so. Don't talk about flattening the curve and hospital capacity. That's disingenuous.

If you are a governor or president anywhere, communicate clearly what your objective is. Are you working towards a kind of heard immunity situation while not overextending hospitals? Okay. In that case rising case counts can be expected. Some states are doing that. But say so. We are not stupid.

Are you trying to keep new cases below 10 per million and you hope to wait it out for a vaccine? Okay. Say so. In that case, I'll probably close my gym and skip that state for my concert tour. But I know what I'm in for. I know who is accountable for the decisions being made. You probably want to extend direct financial support to those businesses that you are preventing from opening. Otherwise they will sue you and eventually they will win, albeit might take some time for courts to get there.

The approach taken will be very different regionally. It's very likely that people in Texas have different preferences than people in New York or Michigan. They have a very different makeup and think and live differently.

What I'm missing is clear strategy communicated by governors to which their constituents can hold them accountable.

Not two thirds of corona virus patients!

One study is named Neurologic Features in Severe SARS-CoV-2 Infection. Severe! The other is named irium Incidence, Duration and Severity in Critically Ill Patients with COVID-19. Critically ill!

So we talking about critically ill patients. Within the US that's rare. Simple numbers. When you say two thirds, make it clear what two thirds you are actually talking about. Leaving out half of the context will make anything look scary. That is why people on the street say you might be asymptomatic but you get brain damage. Which is BS. First you have to be critically ill from covid19. With all treatment side effects and everything. So no, your asymptomatic friend is not having hallucinations. Pure click bait.

Nothing. Anecdotes and individual hand picked stories. You can get hallucinations from smoking pot or a heat stroke. Pure manufacturing of societal fear.

I don't mind reporting on this, but this is click bait. It should say "in rare cases or unknown cases this happens". Not "many".

How many? This is a disease with millions of cases. Tell me the article has at least some numbers.

Can't read it due to paywall. I'm expecting "reports" and anecdotes. Any disease that impacts the body will show a great range of effects. If the case reports is not in the 5 or six digits we are really talking about a rare. Not many. Everything can be "many" with case numbers this high.

The military is a national organization with a hierarchy stretching from the first-day-on-the-job cadet all the way into the White House. In the US, almost every police department is it's own thing. I'm not aware of any national organization. Usually the mayor is the top of the hierarchy. That means a faceless bureaucracy, towns and states removed, will deal with individual concerns in the military. Not a known person three miles from your house.

That's just hyperbole and a statements to shut down a conversation. That statement has nothing to do with "one should absolutely be concerned about the number of total cases".

For 2.5 month now we are always two weeks away from a catastrophe with mass graves and hospital parking lots full of dead people. And then two weeks pass and nothing really happens. Reality just doesn't seem to square up with the fearmongering.

Fwiw, they are trying to identify a provocateur involved in the start of the riots. https://twitter.com/keithellison/status/1266127105621983238?...

No. We just try to jail them or their children. E.g. Michael Flynn.

Unfortunately your comparison leaves out a lot. We have a large percentage of covid19 infected people with no symthoms whatsoever. How does that square with your pack of wild dogs? I believe that is what is being pointed out here. You have asymptomatic elderly people dieing in their 70's and 80's, testing positive and their death being attributed to Covid19. It's not easy to tease that apart. But it's easy to dismiss as unreasonable to say. Asking if 20% of those death shouldn't be attributed to Covid19 is a valid question.

Whenever I travel down to the desert south-west (Arizona, Texas, NM, ...) I'm amazed how many abandoned or half-abandoned (still on private property) cars there are everywhere visible. It must be a mix of better weather and them not rusting down in matter of month when outside instead of a garage, and different regulation not enforcing their removal.

Democracy is so messy! I need this bill passed for my foundation-flyer and success-story. Can I give this money so we can do away with it just this one time? I do that in my country all the time.

Depends on the way you look at this, and what your politics are.

Underemployed hospitals means a lot of procedures are not happening right now. Lots of chemo and similar things. Those will be facing long waiting lists once the state opens back up. If you even get those patients to come back in the next months. I think the risks are somewhat distorted. If you are skipping chemo because you are scared of Covid19, you may be missing something. And yes, chemo was deemed not essential as far as I can tell. I think they call those excess deaths, and it's very hard to say how those will shape up.

From a resident perspective, I see a flat curve with plenty of capacity, even of ventilators, and still a closed up state. But that's getting us into politics. The governor is following a timeline of opening up to normal maybe within 4-6 month. As long as sections are closed up, you need to sustain comfortable unemployment benefits to keep people even halfway in line to play along. Soon the money for that will run dry. It seems like she can extend stay-at-home orders without democratic agreement, but once the money runs dry, she cannot make a budget by herself. So things will get ugly eventually.

My wife is an operating room circulating nurse at Beaumont in Michigan (Metro Detroit). Lots of people without the title of nurse (RN) are furloughed or laid off. Entire hospitals are closed and covid19 patients transferred to other hospitals. Cleaning and supporting staff has been cut down to bare minimums to save costs. She is being sent home early most days due to low volume, impacting her pay too.

She worked covid19 ER shifts receiving walk in patients coughing like hell. That dried up a month ago and she had the choice to stay home or work night shifts on the floor medicating and caring exclusively for covid19 patience. So she did night shifts for two weeks. Now she is back on her regular position, underemployed.

She laughed about the field hospitals. Now, here in Michigan, we are all, including Nurses and hospitals, sitting around most of the day doing nothing and waiting for some miracle.

There was never a capacity issue she knows of. Only shortages of PPE.

Are you unemployed?

With this mindset and approach the US will continue to have 20 million + unemployed all the way through Christmas.

You realize that alcohol related deaths top 80,000 per year in the US? And that doesn't even include secondary deaths e.g. traffic accidents? You realize you can buy this stuff in almost every store that carries a bottle of water? And that it's taxed?

So let's assume we top out at 160,000 covid19 deaths by Christmas. Let's compare the news coverage of those 80k alcohol deaths with those 160k covid19 deaths.

Without any meaningful context into which statements and observations like this are woven into, it's mostly counterproductive for the general public.

How about we treat side effects of alcohol drinking with the same urgency and publicity? We don't. I'm sure there is a lot happening in your body when you drink 4 beers. And you could write thousands of articles just like this right now with credible studies behind them about flying, drinking, sky diving, coffee, etc. And you could make them sound even more scary. None of which is taken seriously, because in the public there is no demand for it. Because those risks are just taken as a given for existing and participating.

But at the moment every little effect is being treated like world news. Casual medications advertised for on TV have more significant side effects.

That sentence has no scientific meaning whatsoever. In January China had 99% of all global deaths. But hey, Kieren McCarthy from San Francisco is an "Inter all-rounder" journalist and surely a person with profound insights into virology to make grand remarks like that.

Hm ... Should we spend these 2 billion here on a multi-faceted pandemic response plan, or buy another air-craft-carrier? Let's do the carrier!

"Open Office" as an action button. You make it sound very different.

Is this an ad? When you read the title you think Windows will start to read your text and advertise diapers and dating sites to you. Perpetually.

There must a be a different word, no pun intended, to differentiate a single time hint within a product family from vanilla banner ads.

A 'The Heritage Foundation' mouthpiece.

Really?

So you get early warnings and you clear half of the base but not the part were Iraqis are stationed? I mean really? It doesn't even matter if you are lying. Either way you are despicable.

Why is it that these gigantic SV companies can't manage to operate a bank? It's like they don't want to rock that boat.