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After driving Model 3 for a couple of years, I have to say that the touch screen is not a usability problem. The controls I need to have quick access to are not on the touch screen, and the ones that are on that screen, are controls I would have to take my eyes of the road and look for anyway.
I will have to grant that they have gone a bit overboard with putting controls in the touch interface, and I still don't get why the glove box opening button is in the touch UI, but that isn't a problem by any means.
I was a bit skeptical of the Model 3 UI, before I got it. But for me it is clearly a step up in usability from the "a million little buttons with weird symbols that who knows does what", and while that view of traditional car interfaces might be a bit unfair. So is all the "any touch screen UI in a car is bad", sentiment going around. Touch interfaces can work well in a car, as long as you don't need to use it for the drive task, but only for auxiliary tasks that don't need, and shouldn't be split seconds tasks.
I've never tried the charging point at Circle K though, they might be usable or they might not, at least they look like they are looked after and not physical broken.
But after trying some of the other brand of chargers, I've largely given up on using any non Tesla fast charger. I will use non Tesla ones in a pinch. But if I do, my expectation is worse user experience, slower charging and more expensive, which does seem like somewhat of a bad deal.
> If you pick option #2 then your model does not reflect real life.
These deep learning models built by corporations are not scientific models, they are engineering solutions, built to solve problems. Reflecting the real world is only useful if it furthers what the company wants to solve. If they for example remove swear words from their training set, that will make them a less accurate model of the world, but make them more useful for building solutions. But it is probably a trade of they would be happy with. We've also seen example of risk scoring application for felons that seem to end up doing racial profiling, because that is what the data seem to indicate makes sense. But that's deeply problematic and runs counter to laws in some places and seem ethically problematic (https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/24/21301465/ai-machine-learn...).
> Bias is by definition the way the model returns results that don't match the real world and real life, in frequency and in proportion.
Getting a good data set without bias is hard, even if you crawl the whole internet like Google does. Not everything is on the internet and there are systematic drivers that make some part of the human condition over represented (English, science, the views of the affluent and educated), and some under presented (small languages, the discourse of people behind the Chinese great firewall, the poor). So just getting a ginormous data set does not fix bias.
> If your goal is to use your model to manipulate and control society based on your own personal criteria, by manipulating it to return results that distort the real world and real life, then call it something else, because bias is not it.
Positive bias is absolutely something that we use, and while it might seem sinister it does not have to be. The example I'm most familiar with a facial recognition technology. Most groups building that ends up with a model that is better at some groups than others. Asian research groups often end up with models that does well with asians and worse with whites, while European groups usually end up with the reverse. In some sense these results do reflect the reality of these groups, most people in Europe is white and most people Asian is asians, so that you training sets ends up like that is not surprising. But no one is happy with these kind of results, and everyone wants to fix that.
To bring it back to speech and text models, let's say you are building a customer service solutions incorporating a deep learning model, the reality might be that you current customer service representatives treat blacks (or people who use "black" dialects), worse than people who sound white. An accurate model built on this data set will then also do that. But is that acceptable? I hope most companies would want to fix that, and be fine with adding some positive bias in their solution.
I thought that my comment was fitting to the tone of the text I replied too, but fair enough, maybe I shouldn't have included that paragraph.
> You should take a step back and think about a) the field of study, b) how the main argument completely ignores the basis of said technical field and what it studies, c) how the argument being created lies on the idea that a self-annointed elite should have the right to manipulate the public to force it to fall in place with it's goals and desires.
It is unclear to me what this means, is it arguing that studying bias in AI and specifically deep learning is not germane? Is it arguing that it is not acceptable to institute policies and action to create a level playing field for minorities and repressed group because that would be social engineering, and forcing the common man to do the elites bidding? If that is what it means, I have to disagree, I find both of those things worthwhile.
Driving to the library, that is the alternative to training these models, really?
> -- Ok, basically she is pissed as AI is picking normal language, that people use, and not using the vocabulary that is in vogue on certain political circles. Basically censure, and forced speech.
If you had a model trained on a large corpus of data from the pre civil war southern American states, it would have been deeply racist, and would even view black people as possible property. If you had one that was trained on data from the 1950 it would be less racist but still problematic viewed by people from today. Is there really something special with today, that removes these kind of concerns with a model trained with current data?
> I think social engineering b.s. should be kept as far away as possible from science. This is turning true ai research into a masquerade to push certain political agendas.
It seems to me that it would be impossible to do any social science research, and specifically any research on racism. With this kind of attitude.
Some of the concerns brought up in the paper seems less consequential than others. Especially the pollution one seems weak to me, that doesn't make it false, and fair enough that is was brought up. I find the racism issue a lot more problematic, and is something I've run up to working on deep learning solutions myself. Even if it worked fine for my group, and most of our customers, that is definitely not fun, and something practitioners should consider when building these things.
So even if curtailing dirty money in our financial system does not seem to be on the agenda. They are doing something about reporting about it.
After the acquisition was finalized, all our products where put on the back burner, and we where all inn in on integrating our production as a feature in their offering for their next release.
Unfortunately for me, the part of the organization I was in, was minuscule compared to the size it would have been in the mothership. Which meant that the expectations of what my team could accomplish, was wildly inaccurate.
So for the year I stayed on. Every workday, no matter how hard I worked, the stack of unfinished task was always higher at the end, than at the beginning of the day. I was so stressed out during this, that if I wanted to fall asleep in the evening, I either had to drink or go for a run.
After a year of this, I managed to get a new job, and leaving was the best decision I've ever made. But getting a new job while struggling is hard, and I was lucky to pull it of, in hindsight, I should probably have started looking way earlier, before I was as stressed out as I was at the end.
Now ten years later, I'm doing fine, and the whole ordeal is just a bad memory. But I do know that one of my colleagues from an other team, ended up burnt out and spent at least a year on sick leave before getting somewhat on their feet again.
So my recommendation to those that are struggling. Take action now, rather than later. For me, leaving worked, but I'm sure that it isn't the only solution for everyone. If you think that there is nothing you can do, that sounds wrong, and you should look again. Maybe talking it out with someone else, either a mental health professional, or a friend would help figuring out the next step? I did not do that, and that is something I regret, I think that would have helped me handle the whole thing better.
When It comes to five year olds doing schooling over video conferencing. I'm far from an expert on kids, I don't have kids and I don't want kids. But it does sound to me like a fools errand, and I'm super happy I'm not going to participate in that nightmare.
Why not follow their lead?
Having an app to help tracking infections, is something I would install. But what my government seem to be going for, no way. Way to intrusive and all encompassing.
I haven't found Simula, which is building the Norwegian app, on the list of partner of PEP-PT. So this is probably a saner initiative.
It is going to be interesting to see how it goes. That it has taken this long to fix, points to it being, at a minimum a lot harder to fix that first suspected, and it might even be unfixable given the laws and regulation around airtravel.