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I know that pain. That’s why I’m saying avoid it if you can do so.

Yeah, there’s a reason for everything. But apparently not to use a framework. Thats “always” a bad idea, apparently.

I’m not trying to meet anyone in the middle. I’m saying use a framework all the time, every time.

Wow. So half of you are Dominos? I hate Dominos. And Pizza Hut too

I’m on Team Papa John but we’re dead last rn

I’m just gonna sit this one out and pick one of the underdogs. Never been a fan of utility classes.

What’s number 2 right now?

My gripe is that it’s stuff I don’t always have to care about. If I’m not working with CSS it’s just noise.

Whatever way that’s refactored, I only want to see that when I’m working with the styles and I don’t wanna do anything special for it either.

Funny you said that cus there’s another “look ma no framework!” Thread today.

Yeah, but I meant that because the business value is in the stats, and there is such low quality of stats in the field to begin with, it’s borked no matter what.

There’s no point in fixing it. You can just pretend like you did. But if the stat work is quality, then it’s worth the effort to optimize.

I get your first point. I’m saying it was the most popular so that’s why it’s ideas spread. I’m only thinking of eMacs and Vim cus the editor wars were so big.

In the 2nd point, I’m just saying what the popular complaints were. I wasn’t trying to prove them either way. Just what the battles were about. I wasn’t there so I’m thinking like an archeologist here.

I know about the misspelling of eMacs but I’m on my phone. I don’t mean anything with it. Just too lazy to fix it.

There’s good stuff in Vim and I like it but yeah not gonna die and say “well! Glad I learned vim!”.

Live and learn. I’m still thinking what band Vim would be

Emacs had a GUI and mouse support forever on Windows. It was “bloated and slow”.

Yeah the free software stuff didn’t work but that’s not all the editor wars were about.

I think we’re just missing each other here. The best features of eMacs spread to other editors.

As for the scenario, I don’t see that as a hellish situation. I’ve been using vim for a while. Im actually ok at it.

Do I regret learning it? Hell yeah. Lol. But at least I got vim mode to soothe the wound a little

This style comes and goes. Utility classes. Then a framework like bootstrap comes up. Then it’s back to utility classes.

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills

Ooo we could go on forever. Let’s start with VS Code.

What we want to do is list features. For example, people prefer the GUI and the mouse, non-modal, batteries included.

It’s not a bad thing. It’s just been a while. Those editors were written for a time that don’t exist anymore.

But as an addon. No one stole modal editing and the quirky key bindings as a core feature.

The real split was whether people wanted an editor to work like an IDE or not. Everyone did. Even Vim.

I think it makes more sense they are there for those of us who know Vim but one day we’ll all die out

No, because I said influence. You are thinking adoption. That actually boosts my point

Emacs was a great editor just like Nirvana was a great band. It’s influenced every other editor after it.

People are always going to love it. But I think all the best ideas from that era have been taken.

I like Vim but EMacs won the editor wars

Yeah, it’s a smart guy with a bad idea. Story of all of us in HN!

There’s always a better way to do things but we live in a fallen world. Some bullshit will always arise to make your life more complicated.

It’s like you said, when you hit whatever limitation, you’ll have to figure out a way around it.

That’s because your premise is weak. You argue that Django is the wrong choice for lots of projects but the counter factual is that our job is to figure that out. We have to choose the lesser evil.

It’s not convincing to just call everyone stupid. Everything is a trade off. You have no idea what those could be in any particular situation so that’s why your whole argument falls apart

Then you focus on construction and coding and ignore everything else a framework offers, which has downstream effects on coding and construction. It’s not all about the code. The coding is actually the easy part

The only projects ppl pay us is for the ones that are so large and complicated that if you don’t use frameworks, you’re going to either die or go crazy

Yeah but in the end it’s just code. And even better, just R.

The business value comes from the stats guy.

Lol yeah. I figure those are common experiences anywhere ppl take their bbq so serious.

That’s why I do buy the idea that there’s a hard cap on the market size. I think all beers and wines tastes the exact same shade of gross.

When I say this, most ppl think I’m being an edge lord or I’m just a stupid asshole. it’s practically attempted murder!

“MONSTER!” “HOW DARE YOU?!”

As a Texan, just the thought of fake meat gives me indigestion. Im nauseous just writing this. My stomach won’t stop gurgling.

My morning is in ruins.

I do believe in some states of the US it was more popular, but I don’t think it’s everywhere. I bet you that as per usual it’s the red-blue divide.

There’s levels to the hamburgers.

That’s the issue here, veggie folks think meat tastes gross and everyone who eats it is evil and carnivores think vegetables taste gross and vegans are just NPC henchmen for the Illuminati

Hilarity ensues. Thus, beyond burger.

I’m from Texas. Total opposite experience.

Vegans and vegetarians are rare pokemons here.

Hard pass. Science magically lost its replication crisis after covid and robot cars kill people so Asimovs laws dont apply.

Eating this will probably turn be into a VAT mutant.

We’re all NPCs for the ruling classes. That’s the big irony. It’s Elon’s simulation and we’re just living in it.

If you want to meet new people, get a hobby or go to a bar. Like attracts like.

It’s all instinctual. Friends, enemies, danger, etc. Noticr how effective your experiment was. Did you try the same approach at a dance club? Why not?

No such thing as close friends. Mutual benefit is all that matters unless there’s blood relation.

“The young have yet to learn the blessings of selfishness”.