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Does your same argument not also apply to people who want HN to be 'non-political'? Since just from your post history recently I can see that you've leapt into some particularly political posts of your own [1] [2]. I'm particularly open about what I believe and post in, but usually people that say they want something non-political actually indicates that they precisely want an echo chamber.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46614467

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46419993

A 'near-total ban' would involve basically banning the entire site of HN, and also tends to expose the inherent hypocrisy in any platform attempting to be 'non-political'.

For example, HN had massive threads years ago dedicated to glazing everything Elon Musk did. Now, conveniently, any discussion of Elon Musk, Grok etc is now flagged and considered political as the winds have changed to be largely negative. Same goes for a lot of stuff people took for granted in tech, because now that stuff was made part of the system that makes our lives worse.

So I, as a software engineer, have to deal with the impacts of this administration both making my employment harder as well as terrorizing the city I live in. Where do you suggest I would go to share these issues other than the site that is specifically for hackers and tech workers?

I get that people want to make the place 'non-political', but a lot of us in the US live in major metropolitan areas and are very directly impacted by all of the shit going on.

I don't think there is a single concrete goal, when you look at how flabbergastingly stupid most of the oligarchs are (just scroll through Elon Musk's most recent posts) it's hard to imagine there being any real master plan. It's a bunch of dumb assholes that were raised with infinite money and where nobody ever told them no.

If you've ever had the unfortunate opportunity to interact with your average CEO at a mid-level business it's the same thing but on a much smaller scale. They can't fail, only be failed.

> My work involves reading papers, doing high level math, coding it, reasoning about the business environment, etc. etc. My work is important and I find the classic HN impulse to stigmatize people for saying this to be silly.

This is what every person who's been laid off by AI says. Every single time. People really like to assume that the work they do is important, except companies don't care about important they care about pushing shit out the door, faster and cheaper. Your high level math and business reasoning do not matter when they can just let someone cheaper go wild and deliver faster with no guard rails.

The silence from tech companies says a million. There's a ton of huge companies and tech leaders with offices and businesses in Minneapolis and not one of them has had the spine to say anything about the occupation of their city or the people that have been unable to show up for work.

I think increasingly tech workers are starting to understand the size of the issue. You can see the sentiment shifting in previous threads here and even when stories like this are flagged, they still float to the top of /active. That said, it's also obvious that there's a certain group of folks that immediately flag these stories the moment they pop up.

I think I can understand why someone from Europe or wherever else might flag these stories because they're not interested (...ignoring the whole Greenland elephant in the room for a second), but given that Scott Adams got a massive post on here despite the thread being mostly political shitflinging for obvious reasons it's really lowering my overall opinion of your average HN user. I'm increasingly inclined to say they need to show some information on who's flagging and why, especially if there's a consistent pattern and time of who is doing said flagging.

Some of the posts break thru the wave of people seemingly flagging these stories immediately like the Palantir stories but otherwise your best bet is having show dead on and looking in /Active instead.

> Do I want that to impact me? Of course not. Ideally that would have been handled years ago so we didn't have the scale of problem that necessitates an aggravated approach. But we do.

So you accept the necessity of needing to carry your papers in order to prove your citizenship, or needing to deal with door to door warrentless raids, or potentially getting your property destroyed by overzealous ICE agents with no recourse? That's my point. You are saying that the scale of the problem means it's acceptable for your rights to be trampled on. And I'm asking you personally if you're willing to be one of the sacrifices in the name of this system.

I don't disagree, but even a low overhead business is still going to be better than an empty storefront (since it means creating some business and employment than none) and a reasonable % of said vacant businesses will be turned into decent value for the community. It's something especially apparent because even the local mattress stores have closed and left said space vacant.

In an ideal situation, cities should be placing pressure on property owners and businesses to lease out vacant space because otherwise they are effectively offloading the negative externalities of empty space to the city and its tax base. If the city isn't going to outright buy vacant property for the sake of development, then it should heavily tax property owners for leaving said property empty or undeveloped.

I disagree, and it's one of the things our new mayor is working towards (imposing a vacancy tax).

This is missing the forest for the trees a bit. Our zoning laws do prevent lower footprint businesses, but in reality the problem is less zoning laws and more landlords and rent. If you compare city to city (ignoring other societal issues), cities in Japan have a far lower vacancy rate compared to cities across America.

In Seattle I've seen a ton of smaller spaces become vacant and stay vacant for years because landlords aren't interested in lowering rent prices; they're holding onto the building/land itself because it'll appreciate over time and there's little to no cost to them to hold onto empty space. Roosevelt Square here is a great example of what I'm referring to, because you've got prime restaurant and retail space located right next to public transit that's increasingly going empty.

> The size of the problem basically leaves no "nice" solutions that are perfectly palatable to everyone. Maybe like "nobody wants to hear about an amputation" but unfortunately some situations are bad enough that you have to.

Are you volunteering to be part of the bad solution, or is it only OK as long as it happens far enough away from you? I'm curious because when you talk about needing an amputation, you're referring to American citizens getting killed and having their rights taken away for the sake of some nebulous solution. Where have I heard that before?

For someone that complains a lot about people lacking 'nuance', your post history is guilty of the exact same crime you complain about. So it's doubly clear that you're not actually arguing with good intention.

Every time, the excuse is 'I need more context' when confronted with evidence because you do, in fact, condone it. Or else you wouldn't start your argument with 'he was resisting arrest'. And don't think I didn't see what you posted originally, you originally didn't even watch the damn clips and I had to tell you which one specifically to watch. Go back and watch any of the other clips I posted. Watch them very carefully.

Resisting? Where? Can you point to me in the 44 second clip where he is resisting? Because when the ICE agents move out of the way he's sitting there, completely still. He's so still that they lift him up entirely, with zero resistance or movement. What the fuck do you think he should do in order to not be resisting arrest, given that he's already completely still? You can see between the officers legs the only movement he's doing is when he's being kneed in the face.

In what world do you think it's acceptable to knee someone in the face repeatedly when they're on the ground and not resisting? You clearly didn't watch the videos at all.

Are you ever going to actually circle back to the people actually providing you proof from earlier?

Do these [1] look like blocking traffic?

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46598192

You can watch any of these videos I posted a few days ago [1] and tell me why.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46598192

This seems like an attempt to avoid the argument rather than engage with it, because creating an imaginary world which we currently don't live in has nothing to do with the reality we're currently dealing with.

The reality being that one informs the other. I know people that would agree in regular situations that we need some enforcement of immigration law. But this is not a regular situation, and when you have an agency tasked with 'enforcing' immigration law who is not enforcing the law at all and in fact violating the law, people question why said immigration laws and agency exists in the first place.

There was some pushback from your average liberal because they thought that it was too extreme, that we needed some folks to protect us and enforce the laws. But with what's going on with ICE, I'm seeing even some of the staunchest whitest liberals finally realize that law enforcement simply cannot be trusted ever, and for good reason. The only people still arguing otherwise are either the old, wealthy democrats sitting on their asses as people get beaten in the streets or the would-be fascists barely keeping the mask on.

Also from last night, a father who had nothing to do with the protests leaving the area to get to somewhere safer. He had six kids in his car and they threw a flashbang at him, and now all six of his kids are in the hospital [1]. Incredibly barbaric shit.

I think they're getting real close to triggering armed riots in Minneapolis.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR9PetzoL2I&t=6s

In order for ICE to raid homes they need to have a valid warrant signed by a judge, but that doesn't seem to be stopping them in Minneapolis doing warrantless raids.

ICE as an agency was created in 2003. Most of the posters here are older than it by a significant factor. We can live without it and create another agency to enforce immigration laws that isn't thoroughly rotted and filled with criminals.

I live in Seattle and I've seen multiple large protests around the ICE murder of Renee Good. Part of the problem is that the US is too large as the people responsible for the jackbooted thugs kicking in doors and killing citizens are on the other side of the country. Business in Minneapolis is practically grinding to a halt as stores and businesses close their door out of fear.

I think we're one or two bad incidents away from wide-scale rioting.

It's stupider than any notion of the deep state. It's rich billionaire assholes like Ronald Lauder that pushed stuff like the annexation of Greenland because they have money-induced rotting brains and have never encountered pushback for anything in their lives. And if there's anything Trump loves more than gaudy fake gold, it's trying to be one of the big shots.

I cannot imagine how things would play out if Trump went through with the invasion. Things are getting increasingly grim here in the states locally and a combination of martial law + a clearly illegal invasion I think would lead to the immediate collapse of the US as well as NATO.

It's clear that Stephen Miller in all of his fascist eggheaded brain thinks that he can just do a real quick annexation and is one of the key people pushing for this. But I don't think any of them are prepared for the fallout.

What about the American citizens having their homes invaded by ICE without even the faintest veneer of legality? Should they not have been at home and sought out conflict?

And if you're an honest to god American saying she deserved to be shot and murdered by LEOs because she was in wrong place is the most non-American shit I've heard. It's blatently shitting on our constitutional rights.

That's still racist, because he's seeking out information that 'proves' his racism (and using a poll of 130 respondents as proof is insane).

I feel like this thread on Scott Adams is exposing how many people on HN are just overtly racist. You can enjoy his content before he went off the rails fine, but seeing some of the takes here feels like a bunch of people are one step away from arguing that segregation should come back.