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This rfc merely acknowledges that some systems do this. It doesn't say the must or even should.
I'm not prepared to discus that further with you until you can justify or retract your libelous interpretation.
As for the government minister that is not the one in question. I found the one involving Trine Skei Grande far more comparable https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/a2Wp1M/han-var-17-skei.... Even so you will note that the minister you mention can continue to serve as an MP.
I provided an example with a government minister in Norway already... The minister in question remains in the government (the allegations are unproven but would easily be enough to destroy a British politician). Clearly two very similar western countries have very different moral stances on sex between consenting adults!
With regards most of the rest of your post we are largely in agreement.
Except regarding your misunderstanding of RMS's position. I invite you to read what he wrote yourself and revert if you think that is what he actually meant to say! Or to edit your post.
Some legal systems attempt to account for this. E.g. England and Wales have two key ages. Having sex with someone under 16 might be (to use US terms) rape or statutory rape depending on whether the person under 16 consented. Both are illegal but rape more so. Having sex with someone under 13 is always rape since children under 13 are not considered able to consent. But in some cases 16 is not the cutoff if e.g. a teacher has sex with a pupil under 18 this is also always illegal. On the other hand if the defendant genuinely did not know the chief witness was under 16 and there was consent this is a defense.
Of course there has to be a cutoff. 16 seems reasonable to me. But I would not have sex with any teenager.
A nice side effect of criminalizing defamation would be that the enforcment would be up to the state. When it is a civil affair only rich people can defend themselves.
I say this as someone that uses gender neutral pronouns etc.
He has been fired. I don't much care for people like him but he is not part of the problem with Vice.
> She's really building weapons for the US department of defense
Can I get a link or reference for this? It is a big fact...
EDIT - I see that she is an adult with a job. I hope RMS sues and gets some damages. Defamation should have consequences.
I guess things aren't organised yet but I and others I have spoken to IRL have already stopped interacting with certain projects.
I was wondering if some of the community's thought leaders might jump ship - but I guess they will be purged anyway so that should help!
EDIT: Would any downvoters care to comment on why they think this won't happen? Do they think we will continue to participate against our will...
The ends justify the means right?
(If you've ever tried to get a builder in Copenhagen or London you won't start talking about construction worker wages as being lower in Europe!)