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I would think your assessment is correct for approaching things at first glance but I would say the people who abused me were "corrupt" at the end of the day. Not sure if that is the best word but I'll use it. I took it as far as possible for me to examine if they were corrupt and came to this conclusion. You're corrupt when the other person who has been traumatized by you (unjustly as well), goes through a lengthy processes of doing whatever is legally possible to illustrate the abuse and you choose to deny it. I found out the hospital, the university police and even the fbi would rather me not have any remedy to the torture I went through and for their illusions to not be shattered. Even my insurance that was billed wouldn't do anything when I reported it. HIPAA was even violated as the hospital lawyer had access to my complete medical history without my consent. I reported that and I doubt the government agencies did anything. Born with faith in the system, as I would prefer the logic of systems to emotional individualists. Yet, I learned the systems are completely broken for the wealthy.

I had two months of observing. I wouldn't agree with your judgement from what I saw. There was two patients at the hospital who should have been in jail and offered some type of psychological treatment. They would walk around sexually assault other patients, take off their clothes and then get drugged up but repeat their actions the next day. Talked to other patients and everyone either had a lot of stress or anxiety from a shitty life. Just another hell on earth.

I made my site say it because I was going to attempt a hanging. I decided after talking to my doctor the week leading up, I would wait for my application to be reviewed and which is done in less than 90 days (almost over). If it’s denied I could contest but haven’t decided. Sort of a moral question for me I think about; so people don’t write me off as depression but gender dysphoria with all I did. I also talked to a lawyer to try going to court for medical assistance in dying in Canada because I’m being unrighteously denied. I explained my points to her, she said I was right where I would have a case but it would be appealed if went forward and would take a year. So after that at the time of updating the site, I got my evaluation from my doctor in my favor for DIGNITAS in Switzerland. I was curious to see if the site would be taken down from controlling relatives no longer in my life. I just leave it because there is no reason to edit it anymore. I might upload some files to google drive that I haven’t is the only thing left I may do for the site. Anyway I think people should do similar if in same situation. I’ve known a few people who took their life without leaving much behind for people to understand the real reasons.

Thank you

Your prayers don't do anything. I can't even be sure if you're not trying to jab at me. Since people needing to pray is likely what contributes to the mental illness of needing to believe in a god stay socially acceptable in society because of religious teaching. Where all the people who don't like what they don't consider normal gang up on the minorities. Also to the downvotes, I'm not sure why I'm downvoted and maybe it's because the original commenter is flagged so context is gone for my comment.

I'm so surprised to how this is downvoted and contrary to what I've experienced in life.

In the United States not so long ago in 2015, I had all my civil liberties ignored and when I was brought to a hospital against my civil rights by police in the state of Michigan. I was in a town with only one hospital and it being privately owned. The whole community being religious and with the hospital I later found out. The hospital had bibles in every room with a priest showing up weekly to help with our "sins" and pray the evil away. I would remove the bible from the room and it would be placed in my room against my wish every day.

Anyway, I was suffering gender dysphoria and being bullied by students at my university in association to me being different (transgender). An incident from hearsay of bullies turned into the police getting called. The officers sided with the bullies, without informing me about how I caused "a disturbance" and refused to listen to me. I was just doing my work in the computer science lab. There was only me and one of the bullies in the CS lab at the time. I argued with using my phone to record the police encounter but one officer went behind me and seized my phone so I couldn't record. I was handcuffed brought to the jail for a few minutes, while I voiced I'll be suing and then directly brought to the hospital while voicing how I wanted to stay to see a lawyer. Stayed in a hospital room for over 6 hours waiting for a nurse with two officers sitting outside the door. Nurse just listened to the officer and brought me to the psych ward.

I demanded to leave the next day but the "social worker" evaluator who works at the hospital wrote involuntary on my charts and without me even seeing a doctor for an evaluation. I later see a doctor with demanding to be let go and he wants me to be observed because the police report has hearsay against me. I tell him how I'm transgender, I would actually like to be on hormone replacement therapy if I'm stuck here and all of a sudden I was being labeled insane. They kept me there for 2 months until my insurance refused because I had turned 26 years old (was now off parents insurance) and they ended up billing $58,000.00 for the stay with them forcing antipsychotics upon me. Told by nurses & the doctor I need to take the medication or the judge will never side with me. I was assigned an ex-cop who is now a lawyer for "helping people" who are brought to the hospital for involuntary commitments.

So the lawyer I'm assigned never shows up to the hospital before my kangaroo court "trial" that was done over TV to the courtroom from the hospital and where my "lawyer" just went to the courtroom where the judge is behind a camera and with me being at the hospital talking through a videocamera next to a doctor & social worker who I'm extremely traumatized by. I Witness a judge side with the doctor and when I just voiced it was all a misunderstanding with my rights being violated. The lawyer said nothing. Before all this I called the patient advocate who works at the hospital "no surprise" who did nothing. I called numbers in the pamphlet the hospital gives you, nobody answered, I left voice mails and never received a call back. I said I wanted a second opinion or to be moved to another hospital as my legal right in the pamphlet states but was ignored.

Anyway I eventually get out and not one organization for legal aid for minorities or civil liberties violations in Michigan wanted to help me. Maybe because there is so much stigma in the US when it comes to mental illness or where I was located with being a poor university student. So long story short, nobody cares anymore about people having their civil liberties ignored and I'm surprised the person above is being downvoted. People don't care when it's already happening to people. Now in Canada pursuing medical assistance in dying because religion ruined my life while my illness is now acceptable for people to receive treatment young. Fuck everything /rant

Cough.., Slavery v2.0

Honestly, I don't really see how people cannot see it as anything other than exploitation of human life. Maybe homeless people exist so it's less obvious and is why the government has never done anything to make that go away.

I wrote what I'm observing from the comments and without it being used in anyway as an argument. Shouldn't you respond to me in a way of asking are you making an argument before proposing the straw man argument? Or do you have such poor foresight that you had to look like an aggressive jackass.

Unions appear to give the capabilities for workers to protest poor wages. I've heard positive things from my grandpa about unions when he needed to find work. Everything has negatives but I'm unsure why workers wouldn't want those positives.

It appears a lot of people desire suffering in the comments. Surprised we live in modern times and it's acceptable to not want others to be able to afford decent living. The ability to own a house/place of their own and with supporting kids if they choose. Minimum wage these days can make it impossible to live such a healthy lifestyle; with how prices are going up on everything.

I’m not making any mistake that I’m aware about from reading what I wrote. You’re implying unknown knowledge about me and when I haven’t even shared my opinion. Simply, I haven’t stated my view on if morals & ethics are ever cared for by people in power. I do believe humanity fundamentally relies on them and to reach the highest divine status for society in functioning and when the universe is without free will to everyone. Fundamentally I observe that important to the majority of people and who are religious. They are conditioned to see it as after death though.

Anyway cost of society is something I don’t even believe is worth pursuing a discussion about with me anyway. I have witnessed from my own personal experiences with how medical treatments are handled completely irrational to fixing my issue. I’m not fully aware to understand why but I assume some unknown agenda. I’m doubtful in any case, the persons going into professions from the start want that to be so.

China is interesting and I wouldn’t be surprised to find out their leaders operate with the knowledge of free will being an illusion. However it doesn’t mean they’re doing it how everyone would and with the same knowledge. Some people will treat the misfortunate as praedamnation and not care to make that go away. Believing birth into royalty of some sort is all that matters and shouldn’t change. However the deterministic universe has been progressing in the opposite direction of that.

> Everything you base your comment on is a huge assumption.

No, it's a huge assumption to create the "free will" theory with no evidence and then argue against the opposite position where I'm using what is observable in nature with science. It's like religious people that argue against people that don't believe in a god.

> but I can definitely say that you’re putting a lot of belief in it being true without any real evidence

No you can't, physics, neuroscience, computer science, and mathematics all favor determinism. If you chime out quantum mechanics, go search my comment history.

> Taking your thought process and building off the idea that everything is deterministic, we can frame the concept of “free will” as something that’s defined within that image of reality.

Yah if you acknowledge you're a puppet by external forces and love your strings. Your freedom is love for how your controlled because it fits you and how you have no real control yourself but are fine with it. Yet, I myself don't consider that definition of free will what most people think and to me it just doesn't exist because that definition would be nonsense.

> Additionally, why should you show sympathy to those in worse situations if everything is deterministic?

Humanity makes progress when removing illusions from society and being rational. Society shouldn't be punishing persons who were unfortunate by the universe. Society should fix the problem of what resulted in a person having an undesired outcome and then rehabilitating the person back into society. Same goes for social, health, and financial problems.

> If society feels a need to punish criminals and remove them from society that’s another deterministic outcome that you yourself should know makes no difference either way in the grand scheme of things.

Yah, whatever happens is destined to happen and similar to how society once viewed the world as flat and until some persons came along to get the idiotic majority to understand. Time brings progress or the opposite and it's all fated to happen. I hope you're not trying to make an argument against understanding reality by the mere premise of you would dislike how it really is.

> If society feels a need to punish criminals and remove them from society that’s another deterministic outcome that you yourself should know makes no difference either way in the grand scheme of things.

See above.

> Why someone would be deterministically wired to counter an argument by using their belief of a deterministic world on HN is beyond me though.

Short answer: Go study determinism.

What makes you think I haven't attempted to use all the available resources yet? I'm seeking the next best solution after rationally doing all that could be done.

Yah I've seen it before and personally I know someone who had success with a shotgun but I would prefer something guaranteed by society.

Statistically failure rate is high and where the very real outcome of brain damage is possible. Wouldn’t want to be stuck in a state causing more resources spent and unable to attempt the act again. I am seeking it medically for the record and I assume most people are just irrational against letting people die which is why this world is in jeopardy anyway.

Sure, legalize suicide and make it possible to receive in a humane medical setting.

This blog post is beautifully written.

The most profound dilemma to me from my own outcome of pain is how "people who haven't lived the specific pain" are calling the shots. How illnesses resulting in physical & psychological pain are handled by treatments tailored by people who haven't experienced the pain. Similar with the allocation of finances and the perception of how one should adapt their outlook on life; based on how outsiders of the experience looking in will decide on what's best. It's comparable to how a victim is so easily coerced & manipulated in a lesser state and when having faith in persons with the status of attempting to help. Personally, I would trade my life in a heart beat for without daily pain and never the experience. Psychologically I can understand why people look to feel grateful for insight or to make people educated about pain. Sadly, I think it's just an irrational attempt in making one try to accept the unfortunate circumstances from the cruel will of the universe.

The majority of people in power will operate by the ends justify the means. I've always wondered if this is true, why humanity will not readjust population numbers and where the renewables actually can sustain the population. Seems better for increasing the length in time for humanity to exist on the planet and come up with a solution to energy where the population can progress to infinite. Compared to the alternative outcome of everyone dies by ruining the planet. Maybe it's already too late for humanity and thus people don't care.

> Theres always a choice, and choices have consequences.

You're making the assumption of how your choice could have been anything different. That's an illusion and studying determinism is helpful in understanding why you're simply a biological input/output machine in a system being society. Even with the possibility of randomness existing as quantum mechanics suggests possible.. it wouldn't make a person have any choice. Personally I think quantum mechanics is just a result from a deterministic system that at this point in time is too complex for humans to analysis as determinism.

It's common knowledge that an outcome results from an action and maybe even consequences happen when the world is under the free will illusion. The problem is the actions were all based on the preceding outcomes and where nobody had any control.

> The kind of people who believe they had no choice are the worst because it shows a total lack of remorse for their selfish decisions

> Phrases like “Look what YOU made me do” and “It’s societies fault” are warning signs that they learned nothing and you have a likely repeat offender on your hands.

Ethics & morals help society strive for the best interest of humanity. The majority of society at any point in time, hasn't understood free will is an illusion and from my understanding of history. We're only capable of theorizing but from my experience, I have been able to remove resentment to persons who wronged me and because they had no control in how they became who they are with the actions they produced against me. I don't believe persons should be punished when they had no control. The best outcome is society learning how to prevent a similar unfavorable outcome and people rehabilitating the persons who were unfavorable by the universe to do a wrong.

I's a huge assumption to assume people will be repeat offenders under the belief of knowing free will is an illusion and when you're contrary to the ideology as you haven't been able to live under it for an extended period of time.

The understanding of free will is an illusion has brought clarity and forgiveness into my life; towards all the persons who wronged me. I became aware to how it would be irrational to seek revenge of some sort against persons who deeply wronged me to disfigurement.

Short summary: I’m transgender and couldn’t transition when needed and to live a life of less pain because of others.

Arareness towards understanding people are who they are without any control brought me to realizing “who the best me would be” in the current situation. A person who cannot blame directly the person who wronged me. I might end my life by suicide though. So the impact of what others did to me was great and I still trumped it.

One sentence is missing a word and I didn’t edit it in time because I took a break.

Basically the gist of it is whatever is destined will occur. However long until the social norms adjust for people to understand & see the illusion of today. How the belief is a substantial impact in how society functions but doesn’t even have any backing such as from science/reason. It’s similar to how the times are shifting of belief towards a god existing and how life must be played out from text associated with the belief. I even compare it to when humans all believed the world is flat. The possibility exists of the time to never come where the majority realizes free will is an illusion but I think contrary because I can understand from my experiences the positives. I can also imagine benefits from the realization of the majority understanding it and how the majority would need to function to still keep humanity as the highest regard.

You cannot take the stance that an illusion is how people in society needs to live under and seem rational to me. Similar to the stance of writing it as “in complete denial” and assuming likelihood. The topics on hacker news that have something to do with free will belief are my favorite because

I enjoy replying to everyone. It was destined for me and with others that reply. The main difference between me & others is probably how I have positive emotions towards the understanding because it made me able to not break in a very low time.

Acknowledging illusion and reality is pushing humanity further. Society is currently structured based on an illusion.

Understood. I enjoy the chance of enlightenment whenever possible. I'm doubtful if you will ever make me switch sides because I've thought deeply about this topic than most I assume because of misfortune by birth. I think the world would be greatly better of a system if the majority viewed reality similar to me and how there is no free will. Anyway have a good night!

I think the assertion you make is flawed. Just because you've reached a point in time where you had experienced a great number of events and variables. Does not mean you are capable of having any will in how you're shaped into gaining a freedom or awareness that is truly your own.

To me it just seems like a system and currently it's too complicated to understand why the similarity exists. It doesn't give any reason to believe there's a choice.

Whatever comes is destiny in our reality and when you understand free will is an illusion.. I did not have the ability to a different person and communicate something different today (same as you). Basically the needed events have to occur and similar to anything that humanity adopts as knowledge & way of life.

Yes and what is your point? We should still try to push humanity further. It's like how people once viewed the world as flat. We need to keep dismantling illusions and get closer to where humanity can be the very best to all.

People do not make choices. The programming we inherit from society, produces different outcomes because the events are in a linear order and the different orders between persons matter! Everyone seems to not grasp how important "order of knowledge" is when digested and how it will alter the person in comparison to another person who has the same knowledge but in a slightly different order of the linear input system we all share being the brain.

Punishment is the cruelest and most dehumanizing thing in this world by mankind. I view "original sin" being born into humankind "assuming free will" is correct. The barbaric justification for punishment is we will construct a deterrent for other humans. Yet, it's ignoring how we are punishing a person who had no control by "the universe not favoring the person" and resulting in others "being favored by the universe" from punishing the person resulting in deterrent to others. The whole thing is madness because it's the system that is flawed not the individual.

It's not beautiful because it's wrong and results in people continuing to be under an illusion. The madness that continues around believing people make their own choices and should be punished is the result of this magical thinking which should be eventually classified as a mental illness. Since society hurts people who had no control and when under this horrible belief.

I remember reading about how the psychiatrists in Russia, would forcibly place persons with schizophrenia into a situation where they would have to fast for an extended period of time and being a month or longer. Seems like they were on the right theory.