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Not being sarcastic, but how does that work?
How does Crypto currency, Bancor or other, improve the management/new creation issues?
What are some examples of where "the extreme care" has resulted in long term positive outcomes?
The paradox is that a modern society needs a unit of exchange (money), however, the management (adding and subtracting) of that medium of exchange is extremely problematic.
For better or worse Bitcoin isn't at all similar to the current bank/central bank system we currently have and without the ability to increase the money supply to prevent bank runs never will be. But the federal reserve's evolving strategy is just an experiment. And their effectiveness remains to be seen.
The FDIC is involved if the bank fails, the central bank is involved to prevent the bank from failing. So the central bank is very much involved in the prevention of bank runs.
> That's the job of the FDIC, which doesn't print new money, it keeps a reserve from funds levied upon private banks.
That reserve is a small fraction +/- 1% of deposits.
> All of which could certainly exists in a Bitcoin world. An FDIC-like institution could exist in the Bitcoin world, however, the central bank powers as well as bank's power to increase the bitcoin supply at will could not. For better or worse, this would put us back in pre-fed banking world prior to 1913.
Just adding that the system above, rightly or wrongly was not sufficient for the expanding credit requirements of the world.
> so it definitely can work. Depends upon what your definition of work :)
> My only point was that this wouldn't equate to more btc in circulation, just more credit.
Exactly. And be subject to the problems with bank runs because of the inelastic nature of gold.
First, without a change in bank legislation and/or rules, I'm not sure a bank could take bitcoins as a deposit. Second, even if they could, if a bank loaned out more bitcoins than it possessed it would be subject to the possibility of a run on depositor's bitcoins. Finally, unlike fiat currency, the central bank in order to end the run could not produce "temporary" new bitcoins to make depositors "whole". I use quotation marks because sometimes new fiat is not temporary and all depositors in the system are not necessarily made whole.
In the case of fiat currency, the supply of money is based primarily on 1) Increases/Decreases in the loans provided by banks and to a lessor extent 2) a central banks balance sheet.
I don't believe it's possible to add to the supply of bitcoins simply by loaning them into existence vs. fiat currency. That is, there isn't a closed-loop system similar to the banking system that allows for this elasticity of bitcoin units.
I'm not advocating that this is a requirement or even desirable, it's just a limitation that I don't see often discussed.
[1] Price of Oil Chart: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/DCOILWTICO [2] Dolar Chart: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/DTWEXM
Another good source from digi_owl: http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Documents/quarte...
Also this: https://www.newyorkfed.org/medialibrary/media/research/epr/0...
and this: http://www.economonitor.com/lrwray/2013/08/15/banks-dont-len...
and finally this: http://www.forbes.com/sites/francescoppola/2014/01/21/banks-...
With respect that is not accurate. [1][2]
[1] http://www.cnbc.com/id/100880857 [2] http://www.cnbc.com/id/100497710
I believe that's only partially true. If your definition of money is a piece of paper (e.g. a bar tab), than yes anyone can create money. However, if your definition of money is the U.S. dollar (e.g. paper or electronic versions) than there are only two entities that can create it: the federal reserve via open market operations and banks via lending.
My question to digi_owl was whether he was making a distinction of what limits credit creation from banks. The reserve requirement has very little to do with it.[1][2]
[1] http://www.cnbc.com/id/100880857 [2] http://www.cnbc.com/id/100497710
I appreciate the link to the video, I'll check it out.
Do you mean that money creation has little to do with the reserve requirement?
[1] http://treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/current [2] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WSAVNS
Curious, are US treasuries or interest in a savings account considered "dead weight" in your definition?
As I understand it banks don't use deposits to back-up lending. There are folks in HN more knowledgeable then myself that may correct me, however, banks leverage Tier 1 capital to create loans. Deposits are the result of the loans and not vice versa. So banks aren't paying you interest because they need your deposits in order to lend.
[1] http://www.cnbc.com/id/100497710 [2] http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Documents/quarte...