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A better link: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20120919PD207.html&usg=AL...

Press release from MS: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/Press/2012/Sep12/09-18RI...

Wow sorry to hear about IT Conversations going dark, really enjoyed listening to that.

Thanks for this, just looking at Django for the first time right now so the timing is perfect.

The World already has it: http://www.openwebosproject.org/

> (Wait, what's that? A company/community can work on more than one thing at a time?)

But that's the whole point: they're not, at least not in the case of Thunderbird. Firefox OS clearly has a higher priority for them than Thunderbird.

Yes I read that from your other comment, the engineer begins with:

> There are many similarities

Indeed. And he then goes on to admit that a new version of Enjo JS will address many of the perceived shortcomings in webOS:

> This is a simplification, and I should also note that Enyo 2 (the next version of the webOS application framework, not yet released) is designed to be less platform-specific and allow Enyo apps to run on both webOS and in standard web browsers: http://enyojs.com/

Enyo JS 2 is now available for download: http://enyojs.com/

So again, why reinvent the wheel? What's the real benefit of boot-to-Gecko versus boot-to-Webkit (webOS)?

Giving how shockingly similar Firefox OS is to webOS (now also open source), I would have much rather that they support that OS instead of reinventing the wheel.

Some strange strategic decisions coming out of Mozilla inc. these days, I would much rather see them focus on their browser instead (and Thunderbird!).

He probably just lost the non-US audience with all those baseball references (certainly lost me).

I'm not sure I'm comfortable with Google (a large corporation driven by advertising profits) owning the desktop too.

> It has openness and it has the big support of Google.

Google did not open up Android 3.0 when it did not suit them to do so (commercially). I've never heard of Redhat or Canonical doing something similar with one of their Linux releases.

Wireless charging comes three years after Palm.

Any thoughts on how possible Scottish independence might affect this?

Fixed (I just copied-and-pasted the original).

If you take outside funding, you're not bootstrapping. According to Wikipedia:

"Bootstrapping in business means starting a business without external help or capital."

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootstrapping#Business

There is nothing wrong with taking outside funding, but then you don't get to call it bootstrapping any more (as per the widely-accepted definition above of what the term means).

This is mixing up terms.

I thought the same thing when I read it: starts by mentioning $2.5m in funding, then talks about bootstrapping. Those things are mutually exclusive.

Kudos to the Enyo team for making this happen (despite it being widely and inaccurately reported that Google hired "the whole team" a few months back).

Clearly there are still some very talented engineers working there, can't wait to see what they do with Open webOS 1.0 later this year.

> The architects in the article refer to a particular kind of person who finds it beneath himself to actually implement something, and spends his day making slide deck and uml diagrams. And yes, they should be fired, unless they are capable of and interested in implementing the stuff they swore by in their slides.

So if I understand correctly, the only value-add to software development is cutting code?

Let me put this another way via an analogy: should the architect who designs your house also be required to wire the electrics, install the plumbing, and lay the blocks too? And if he/she is not interested in "implementing" (because a design deliverable is not an implementation right?), then they should be fired?

Wow.

I thought SCP was the new FTP. Or rsync.

English is not his first language.

With regard to the "is dead" proclamation in this title, this comment from a previous commenter sums up my feeling perfectly:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=554397

Once I see "X is dead" in a article title, I stop reading.

But it is still an open source cross-platform HTML5/Javascript based platform. Of course it will not enable you to, for example, send an SMS via an app running in a Chrome web browser, but I would have thought that was a given for any such platform.

> ...but a very specific SDK/framework designed for writing applications specifically for webOS, not for other platforms or the web.

That is incorrect. Apps written for webOS that use the EnyoJS framework are currently seen running on iOS, RIM (Playbook), Android, and even in the Chrome web browser.

So does webOS, which will be open sourced by HP as "Open webOS 1.0" in September under the Apache license.

> ...badly designed...

> ...and has a million bugs...

> ...cannot be fixed...

> Pestering a language like that is only fair.

> ...who has yet to take that dark path

Wow that's a lot of emotive language. Like the man said, witch hunt.

So that explains why the 12 cores on my Fedora workstation were maxed-out when I came to work this morning!

That's exactly what I'm talking about, it's insulting and it disappoints me that all of the recent HN threads have been full of similar insults. Their arguments always seem to boil down to "my hammer is better than your hammer, and you're an idiot for choosing the wrong hammer, but luckily I am here to re-educate you".

> After 5+ years of eloquent, smart programmers* posting long, well researched screeds about what's deeply broken with PHP's design at the most fundamental levels, there is no other conclusion to be reached.

Issuing holy decrees from their ivory towers more like. Meanwhile, lots of tremendously successful companies doing real work in PHP each and every day, at the coal face, where it matters. Does their hard work deserve this constant ridicule?

> The only way to improve PHP is to replace it, and we have a long way to go to get there.

Agreed. When something better comes along, I'll start using it (like how I switched from Perl to PHP a long time ago). The problem is, many "eloquent, smart programmers" are too busy "posting long, well researched screeds" to spend some time making PHP better (or making a better PHP).

PHP is a big legacy open source project, worked on by many volunteers whenever they can spare the time, just like any other open source project.

It is wildly successful despite this and many other bugs.

I only wish that the people who spend as much time attacking PHP and it's developers endlessly would instead focus some of that energy into helping to improve PHP, but I guess some of us are just negatively charged.

Sad that we have yet another anti-PHP posting hitting the front of HN in as many days, let the hating re-commence (again)...

Really, that many? Got any links to share?

I blame Atwood for trolling PHP yet again with this link bait. I'm deadly serious: he has a history of posting anti-PHP rants, then sitting back and watching his blog traffic grow.