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Totally agree, we could for sure have build from the get go multi-region and multi-cloud but we had good reasons not to do it. Depending on the product, technology, ... would actually also strongly recommend almost every startup to do the same.

Thanks a lot! You are totally right, it is for sure something we will find a solution for. But honestly, do I not want to. As a startup, you have very few resources and deliberately place some exact bets. Deprioritizing everything to work on something for a long time that was not prioritized, just to then end up again where you were before (a working cloud solution) is the last thing any startup should be forced to do. Anyway, it seems like we do not have much choice here.

I do honestly not think there is any bad intent behind it. I am just surprised that this is happening at all (esp. not with a resolution time of multiple months). They must have known for a long time that this would happen, so I would have expected an early heads-up!

We at n8n (https://n8n.io/) have something similar (but not identical) with our Sustainable Use License. Here the blog-post where we talk about it some more: https://blog.n8n.io/announcing-new-sustainable-use-license/

Just want to make one thing clear. It did not get favorably resolved because of the way it got communicated, it got resolved favorably despite of it.

Btw. Karl Fogel was also part of the n8n open-source discussion and that was for sure also one of the reasons why it got resolved the way it did.

Founder of n8n here. For the people that do not have multiple hours to read the whole thread with its almost 378 comments (some of them quite long). It actually resulted in the creation of fair-code (https://faircode.io/) and later the Sustainable Use License.

Here a more concise version of the fair-code background: https://blog.n8n.io/fair-code-for-sustainable-open-source-al...

and here information about the Sustainable Use License switch: https://blog.n8n.io/announcing-new-sustainable-use-license/

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Glad to hear that it was helpful and that n8n looks interesting. All the best!

We at n8n created the Sustainable Use License (https://github.com/n8n-io/n8n/blob/master/packages/cli/LICEN...) and started https://faircode.io/ which could be interesting for you to look at. It is based on the amazing Elastic License 2.0 (https://www.elastic.co/licensing/elastic-license) which you should also check out. Apart from that are there multiple great licenses here: https://polyformproject.org/licenses/

All are obviously not OSI approved.

Hope that is helpful!

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We are hiring for the following roles:

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We are hiring for the following roles:

- Head of Design

- Head of Revenue

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- Staff/Principal Backend Engineer (TypeScript)

- Staff/Principal Frontend Engineer (Vue.js)

- People Operations Manager

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Just fyi we (https://n8n.io/) are not OSI approved open-source, rather https://faircode.io/ licensed. Very similar but not the same (in short, you can use it for free, but you can not take the code and commercialize it).

Additionally also important to mention that both services currently do not have native nodes/integrations. So it still can be done easily via an HTTP Request node but you would have to check out their API documentation.

There are actually a few startups that work on improving the situation. One is https://www.planblue.com which builds underwater satellites to build a global seafloor database. A lot of untapped opportunity.

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We are hiring for the following roles:

- Senior Frontend Developer

- Fullstack Developer (also Freelancers)

- Head of Engineering

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We are hiring for the following roles:

- Senior Frontend Developer

- Fullstack Developer

- Head of Engineering

- Head of Organic Growth

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- Product Manager

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Also https://n8n.io is not OSI approved open-source, it is rather https://faircode.io licensed instead. Disclaimer: I am the founder

Some of the advantages of n8n.cloud compared to Pipedream/Autocode are (disclaimer do not know any of them too well): - Easy to use but powerful even without coding skills (but even more possibilities if you can code) - Build complex workflows easily and fast via a node-based editor - Split data into different branches and merge them again - No lock-in (you can take your workflows anytime and run n8n yourself where ever you want) - Peace of mind that if the company (n8n) would ever go out of business you would not lose all your work as you would still be able to run it yourself - Amazing community that helps each other and improves n8n on a daily basis

That is actually just the start. Wait till you want to integrate Google Services into your app/service and you require the wrong scopes. Then suddenly it is not just complicated it also gets expensive as they require a security audit which costs between $15k and $75k.

We actually want that people use n8n as a backend and want to improve that further in the future and write more about it. We do not have to make money with literally everybody that uses our code. But if a good way to describe the service (or module, ...) is "automate X" then a license would be required. That we think is fair and makes sure that n8n is long term sustainable. And after all, is that also in the interest of the people/companies building on top of us.

Google services are sadly a little bit complicated to create Trigger-Nodes for. Much more than ANY other ones. Some of the fun things are that they require to verify the domain you use as callback URL (which so makes it for example impossible to use our tunnel) or that the webhooks expire?!?! Anyway, I hope we will have it ready soon and you can so start using n8n!

Yes, that is correct. If you use n8n as a backend or part of your backend that is totally fine. What is not permitted is to use n8n code to offer some kind of automation service.

Thanks a lot for creating this tutorial!

I am the creator & CEO of n8n. If anybody has any questions simply ask. Happy to answer!

Yes that is correct. It is not "OSI approved open-source" it is rather https://faircode.io/ licensed instead which is similar but not the same.

Really happy to finally launch the hosted offering of our fair-code licensed workflow automation tool. That makes it now not just simple for none technical people to get started with n8n it also takes away the worry for all technical ones that are not interested in the dev-ops related work.

http://github.com/n8n-io/n8n

Thank you very much for being part of our community and your support!

Yes totally agree. Still a lot to do and improve.

Thank you very much! It is very appreciated. Yes, think it is never easy if you take a new and different approach, but I am sure it will be worth it. Not just for us, also for other people that think the same way.

If you want to automate complex tasks, with multiple IFs, Merge, triggers ..., easily extendable, a node based flow and self-hostable you can check out the fair-code licensed https://n8n.io https://github.com/n8n-io/n8n (disclaimer: I am the author)

Not open-source, rather fair-code licensed (so you are not allowed to commercialize it but use it totally for free and the source-code is available) but apart from that you can try: https://n8n.io https://github.com/n8n-io/n8n

(disclaimer: I am the author)

That same question got actually also asked when I released https://n8n.io originally. Here the link: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21192243

Here an archived version in case the page goes down again: https://archive.is/9Enrw