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Can share the sentiment, had to work with celery years ago, and the maintenance/footguns exceeded the expectations. The codebase and docs are also a bit messy, it's a huge project used and contributed by many so it's understandable I guess. Anyway, Argo if you are in K8S, something else if you aren't. And if you are a startup and need speed, just go with something like procrastinate.

I disagree about that being the root cause of the issue. It's true that in some countries there is a sort of permanent work contract that essentially means once you are in, you cannot be fired; that's obviously bad. In my experience, work ethic, or perhaps, bargaining power, is generational, long story short: young people have to work much harder/longer for lower pay than boomers, due to the lack of leverage of their generation and overall market conditions.

Agree with your second paragraph, just disagreeing with the generous work/life conditions part, that's something that was enjoyed by boomers (through country-level debt, even!), but new generations work harder for a salary that in US terms looks like scraps.

Along with Europe's incompetence and divisiveness, you must also consider that the US has kept it so tight under its umbrella that it has squeezed it. The US wants a rich market to sell into, a suitable ally for oil campaigns, but not a competitor.

The US is also still cultivating divisiveness, at the EU level, they groom a politically aligned minority that conveniently opposes any long-term improvement (Looking at Meloni's Italy, Hungary, etc.), at the country level, where possible, they again groom divisiveness by propping up yet another sovranist party.

Of course, that's what a "normal" competitor does, and of course China russia are also taking part in it. But the ambiguous situation of the USA-EU friendship needs to be solved.

I don't see how the EU can get out of this without recognizing that the US is not a friend anymore, and enduring a few decades of protectionism at the services level to try to pull a china on key sectors.

Yep :)

I agree, it would be the best of bad cases, in a sense. I have low trust in OpenAI due to its leadership, and in Meta, because, well, Meta has history, let's say.

Given the importance of scale for this particular product, any company placing itself on "just" one layer of the whole story is at a heavy disadvantage, I guess. I'd rather have a winning google than openai or meta anyway.

>It is doxxing, but whatever floats your boat

It's not; it's information you willingly shared and I haven't added to it in any way, I just mentioned that the information available online doesn't fit with what you are telling me. In fact, you have now conveniently shifted to the fact that you do not really have in-depth discussions, but you got some responses from "people".

FYI, Germany isn't really that attractive for high-paying jobs. I have lived in different, more attractive countries, and I wouldn't touch Germany bureaucracy-wise or salary-wise, maybe it's good for public sector jobs, I don't know. I can assure you, I am more traveled than you (visiting a random city for a couple of days conference doesn't really count as traveling, sorry). I happened to be in Berlin right after the war started, and the only russian I met was ECSTATIC, literally "we are back" vibes.

>If you're happy to spread this narrative - which you seem to be - then I think you fit the bill of a geopolitical warrior.

I've yet to see a counter-argument from you. You keep saying I am a "geopolitical warrior" and that I am spreading a "narrative".

>Currently it's Russians for you, tomorrow it'll be the Chinese, Americans, whomever, based on where you live and who now is the adversary

Again, pushing this kind of "hater" narrative. Please just f*** stop, it feels like I am talking to a sophomore doing classroom debate.

> I think the Russian government isn't very different from other imperial powers, which are notoriously not representative of their people

You pass this as a fact, but it is not. Not in the case of russians, sorry.

>If this wasn't the case, Russians wouldn't be on your radar. Simple as that.

Not sure I understand the implication here.

Your argument is just an abstract straw man about the fact that, since hating is wrong (it is), and you classify my opinion as hate (it's not), you conclude that my opinion is wrong. This shows up again when you propose to use variables in place of a country, because countries are somehow interchangeable.

Another irony is that you live in Germany, a country that was dismembered and re-educated from the ground up after their atrocities in WW2, in an effort to correct/roll-back the cultural/societal rot that had taken place due to nazism. This succeeded, and German people are, generally speaking, very nice. Had it been 70 years ago, I guess you would have told me that it's just Hitler or the government. In hindsight, we have evidence it wasn't.

I think the gist of it is that I do not separate the responsibilities of the russian people from their government(s), you do. We have different interpretations of the history of russian society, but you must admit that it's quite a coincidence for there to not be any correlation between the russian people/culture and the outcome of their nation, for centuries? Don't we have ample evidence that deresponsabilization is NOT working?

In my experience, the less one is read about their history and/or the further they are from the blast zone for when they go for the next genocidal war, the more they're willing to look the other way, because doing the opposite is, of course, more tiring.

>Of course. You're allowed to choose your narrative and favorite scapegoat

No, that's not it. You are operating under the assumption that every culture is equal; it is not.

>I have much more in common with them than I do with any geopolitical warrior

Since this isn't your first ad hominem, let's get some facts straight. Apparently, you have: 1) Baltic and Ukrainian friends and colleagues, 2) Russian and Belarusian friends and colleagues. "Same with Israelis and Palestinians".

This isn't an attempt at doxxing or anything (you linked to some papers you co-author), you are a Serbian researcher working in Germany. None of your co-authors apparently have these origins, nor any manager/high level people in the company you are working for. I am sorry, but I struggle to believe you have these kind of colleagues, especially in such a nice area like ontologies, protege, etc. AND that happened to discuss with them in depth the russian situation.

I have a similar experience when it comes to Israelis and Palestinians, Belarusians, but not russians, I am sorry. The Ukrainians I know hate russians with a passion.

>Aside from the fact that this is a company, not a country, and there's no discussion of hiring let alone getting anyone

I agree, didn't imply that.

>If that's true, why wouldn't these apparently openly hostile Russians join their preferred army? Or do you think they are a fifth column in your country?

It's very simple, life in the west is better. That doesn't mean they believe in its values. Also, once the 3-day SMO got a bit too real a lot of moscow/peter russians decided to bail out. Would they have left if the 3-day SMO succeeded? I don't think so, they would have been happily chanting "russia strong". Yes, some of them are fifth columnists.

If you are still in doubt if the level of infiltration in Europe is through the roof, I don't know what to tell you. But the issue is that, even the majority of the non-fifth columnists harbor pro-imperialist russia values and resentment towards the so-called west. You'll never get a straight answer from them when it comes to these issues, in my experience.

>Be open about your conclusions

Please don't imply things. I am already open about my conclusions. My conclusion is that russia and russians are culturally unfit for being accepted into democratic societies en-masse due to centuries of brutal regimes known for their hybrid warfare and espionage. I think we should re-vet all "refugee" russian visas we have in europe, and reconsider the influence we allow oligarchs to have because they bring some blood money with them.

>How do you feel about people from Saudi Arabia [...] >Their governments and/or minority groups have certainly been controversial in various countries and centuries, to say the least. >It's not an abstract subject, it's a question of principles and nuance.

Nothing against them, not sure why you ask. It's you who decided to bring the abstraction up a notch in your previous comment, when saying "'Enough of them' really applies to any minority". And here's my disagreement. Russians aren't ANY minority, nor for their history, not for their culture, not for the implications of having a russian minority in your country. A minority is NOT fungible, because culture is NOT fungible, and history is NOT fungible.

>My country has been subject to plenty foreign conquerors, adversaries (real or not) and undue influence, including that of various Russian governments. Yet I don't see how the members of those other countries are guilty for that, nor how my hatred for them gets any justice for the pain of my ancestors (or the pain that my ancestors caused).

Serbia has never been under russian rule. Like other countries, it has its foreign invaders, adversaries, etc. But, again, NOT all adversaries are the same, because what they did during their history, what they promoted, and for how long, is not the same. Russia is likely in a unique position when it comes to the integral of applied brutality over time/people. It's not putin, it's not "the government", it has been like this forever.

>And you don't seem like you have personal grievances that would at least explain your views.

If by looking at past data (history, books, etc.) and current data (current state of russian society, their behaviour towards conquered Ukrainians, their nuclear-bomb threats every 3 days) you conclude that everything is fine and dandy with the russian people, so be it. That is not my conclusion. I do have personal grievances because the future of the values (and countries) that I believe in is at stake here, for real. I dislike people who are morally "flexible".

I've written a lot in this HN thread. I'll summarize my opinion:

- Culture and civilization are not fungible, thus not all cultures and civilizations are equal.

- I do not separate the responsibility of the russian people from its government. It has been too long.

- Vast majority of russians that live in the west harbor anti-west resentment and hold imperialist values. Those that left after the 3-SMO fiasco left because they risked their skin, not for any political reason. Will likely move back once this is over.

- I think Kagi having a Serbian HQ and working with Yandex is a signal about its moral compass. In hindsight, the latter is worse than the former.

>"Enough of them" really applies to any minority

It does not. You are allowed to pick and choose. Try asking any Baltic country if they'd like 2 extra million russians, and tell them they are wrong because their argument can be proven wrong when abstracted enough. Try asking the Ukrainians.

>If you find it difficult to distinguish between manipulation of ethnic conflict, propaganda, and the role of an individual in a society

This is peak irony, I wish russians would read on those topics.

>Regarding your interpretation of the parent comment:

I didn't state those 3 points. But choosing to operate in Serbia, and choosing to use Yandex, are signals about the company that I can decide to operate on. Clearly the company is pretty "lax" when it comes to this. If they have choosen to hire disproportionately more russian devs ( I don't know), that would be another signal. Choosing to opere in Serbia isn't equal to choosing to operate in Russia, mind you. But still, it's a different signal w.r.t choosing to operate in another country, e.g. Poland. I don't have strong opinions against Serbian people, mind you.

>And again, I still suggest you do the exercise: find another ethnicity others find controversial and adversarial

Again, you are still leaning on the fact that, when abstracted enough, we can bend every argument. I don't support discrimination, that doesn't mean I appreciate getting members from an openly hostile society (to say the least).

>I don't like nor support what the Russian government does, but I don't conflate those actions with those of Russian individuals or the people.

Feel free to keep your head in the sand and live the fairy tale where everything is because of the russian government and not of the people. There are centuries of evidence that this is not the case. I bet you are from a country that has not been under russian rule in the past, or are ill-informed about the history of that society/culture. Not all societies and cultures are equal. "Things seem much more adversarial online", how arrogant. I'm fairly able to distinguish a tribalistic ethnic conflict from something that is not.

Try asking those seemingly complex questions I've asked the russian poster to any russian, including those living in the west. You'll never get a straight answer.

FYI, I've worked with (and hired) people from virtually all over the world, and traveled quite a lot (not vacations, long-term movements), never had an issue. Held friendships with people coming from countries with an "evil" regime, these were normal and kind people. For some cultures a brutal regime is an "accident of history", for others, a tradition.

Note that this isn't "neutral" as in "I like chocolate" vs "You don't like chocolate". Sometimes being "neutral" is pretty damning, more so if you are providing a "neutral" ground for sanctioned individuals or people waiting the $CURRENT_GENOCIDAL_WAR out. I agree with you about not likely being there an A->B->C->D conclusion, but it's a signal about the preferences or lack thereof of the ownership of the company. But really, they can do whatever they prefer.

IMO russian culture/society, starting from the very early days of the empire, is drenched with imperialism and essentially a genocidal nature. This can be found from the lower strata of their society to the upper end, including authors like Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, Pushkin, etc. Sadly for them (and especially their neighbours), the transformation from empire to soviet and later to empire again hasn't changed this factor.

For some reason, there is an implicit assumption, in that culture, of their superiority w.r.t. anybody that isn't American. I heard funny stories from a professor in the US telling that russians were the only PHD students that he felt like were acting as if he was beneath them, because he was "just" a Western European rather than an American (he had citizenship, but anyway).

This might get me a bunch of downvotes, but it's an unsolved problem that Europe refuses to face, and it has blown up in Europe's face pretty hard. It would be better for everybody involved to dismember russia so that it doesn't have the different *Stans to draw resources and cannon fodder from; but good luck with that. It's likely more pragmatic to "manage" them while they grind themselves out of any significance, but that is costing and will cost more lives.

The "maybe (former) members of a controversial state could also work" carries A LOT of weight here. Given the connection with Yandex, I assume the company itself is A-okay with what russia is doing, since the company is working with what is basically going to be russia's wechat.

I disagree that what a random russian believes doesn't matter. And I disagree about the ethnicity argument. Russian is not "just another ethnicity". Countries bordering russia are now (again) under threat (or war) using "muh russian minorities" as a casus belli. Enough of them in a city/province/country, and institutions will start getting conditioned, from within and from without. I am a liberal, but there is being a liberal, and there is self-sabotage.

Deciding to look the other way, as a company, is just another signal about the owner of that company.

Maybe you misunderstood his comment, because russians can actually get into europe, and once you are in a schengen area country it's a free for all. And what he mentioned can be easily verified.

I did. He has a 6-month-old account with apparently no personal information attached. And, if there is personal identifying info in some comment, it will conveniently allow him to "not get involved" for his own security. But he felt the need to tell us how we should be welcoming of russians. Worked well in the past centuries; I am sure it will work well in the future.

Couldn't you just answer those simple questions? Why is that question a meme? I've yet to find a russian that "just didn't want to get involved" able to provide me straight, simple answers to those questions. I wish other Westerners would wake up to this behaviour, because even navalny was just another russian imperialist (see his past comments about Georgians, for example).

About the "everyone", you mentioned that "I, and everyone I know of, left russia not because [...]", so I assumed you must know at least a bunch of like-minded people that share your opinion on the aforementioned facts (not that we know your opinion yet).

About the "huge chunks" on a certain spectrum, I am not sure that chunk is huge at all. It's likely a tiny minority that would very much put an asterisk next to their answers to those questions. That minority has been quite silent, regardless of their geographical location and relative safeness.

I know I sound pedantic, but he didn't say he opposes the war (nor the regime), just that he doesn't want to be involved.

Given the number of russians that approve of the regime and the war (including those living in the west!), the ongoing hybrid warfare, the ongoing war in Ukraine, AND past history; is it really so difficult to understand why people wouldn't see this as a positive? Or why people don't want to have a russian minority in their own country, perhaps one bordering with russia?

What do you think about Ukraine? Should it be a free country? What about its territorial integrity, to whom does Crimea belong? What does "everyone you know" think about it?

Wasn't meant to be racist, but a subtle joke at the fact that many MAGA and russian-appreciating posts on twitter happened to be backed by indian users, and that was discovered thanks to a short-lived new feature. Not sure why that would be racist.

Account based in India

Love this new HN feature!

Not exactly true, soldiers returning from the front can actually leave and move abroad. Also, with the amount of "hybrid-warfare" taking place in Europe it's safe to say not all russians "fleeing" russia are exactly well-intentioned. Let's skip the discussion about the advantages of having russian minorities in your own country, shall we?

edit: Would love to get a real argument instead of downvotes, but I'd say this speaks for itself

I am sure most russians leaving have left because they are against imperialist expansion and would prefer a free Ukraine, not because they have realized they might have more skin in the game once the 3-days special operation has failed.

You'd surely be shocked learning what those common people are doing in some parts of the world, like Ukraine :)

Same boat, and I didn't even know about the Yandex stuff, hard pass.

Making lots of money, at least in the Western hemisphere!

Yes, it's gonna be heuristics all way down. This problem isn't solved formally but the ecosystem(s) having these issues are too big to be discarded "just" because of that.

If I had to bet, the most likely and pragmatic solution will be to have dependencies cooldown and that's it

Why would the increase be a significant margin? It's basically a security research tool, but with an agent in the loop that uses an LLM instead of another heuristic to decide what to try next.

I think it's in part generational (a bunch of western countries have a quasi dead-locked democracy because boomers will vote whatever suits them short term, they will be dead when the bill comes anyway) and part due to the lack of accountability that democracy has brought to the upper echelon of society, or lack of skin in the game for the ruling class.

Revolving doors, blatant corruption, and downright incompetence lead to absolutely no repercussions; what's there to lose? Schröder is the poster child of this.

We are creating generations of people with no stake in society (no housing, no family because it's costs too much and no time anyway) while at the same time having a complete lack of ethos as a civilization, with a terrible ruling class. Europe (and the UK) are in a horrible position.

It's reinforcement learning applied to text, at a huge scale. So I'd still say that they are not thinking, but they are still useful. The question of the century IMO is if RL can magically solve all our issues when scaled enough.

Well, you are in luck, because there will always be conflicting reports.