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Your last word is very interesting. The equivalents have been used in many places. It has more meaning than it appears.

There's no really good research on decoding the mind of modern human specie' yet and even there was one, there would be little impact because the result will be consumed by human mind so if there were bugs then they won't be fixed because the bugs are in human mind.

The conflicts in the world are caused by those bugs, in AI's opinion(in future)

It's good that you ask the question that most of people get information from English media.

Taiwan as many people mentioned here is a democracy. It has freedom of speech. So it's easy to get the information from the source inside Taiwan.

Long story short: It's very mixed. There are people want to re-unit with China and even expect the mainland using military means. Pro-independence group is much larger but majority like to keep the existing status while tend to independence.

Here are some media that show views against Western perception which seems originated from MSM .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t6ep7auypk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvACcb9qrt4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UEz3CyD1ME

There are much more. But again as I mention they are minority

(Claim: I'm not saying that MSM is trusted by Western audience. On the contrary a lot of people especially young generation don't trust or even disdain MSM. However the Taiwan issue is an exception.）

This suggests that the position of US about of the issue is that "This land is yours" is debatable.

However the majority opinion of western world which is shaped by MSM has another view that "(A) This land is not yours and (B)it's not debatable". They only mention the issue is "debatable" when the position of US official position is against their opinion. Underneath they still believe there's no controversy that Taiwan is not part of China due to their hidden ideology.

Decoding hidden part of people's mind based on their output is more interesting than the original topic and also itself is quite controversial.

This is an anecdotal cancer recover story that gives methodology. Just for reference. The guy became famous. One thing seems quite certain is: Fasting is very beneficial to body during chemo. (Not quite well explained in this interview but there are a few other interviews with the same guy). Hope it's useful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzPrxku1x5Y

You are still discussing in a hypothetical situation that most people can have a consensus about the information eventually. i.e. the information (If the FIRE really happened or not) can be falsified.

What really caused conflicts and damage are the situations the "lies" cannot be falsified (just in current population due the the limit of intelligence, no necessary for smart people in future generations), and the yeller is not a typical liar but belong to a special specie (majority of politicians who have good skill in elections) that totally believe their lies so there's no legal ground base to charge them. There have been already a lot of damaging consequences and seems continue to have more because of this.

Do we have reverse yellers yelling "NO FIRE" to balance the ongoing damages? The are very few for some important issues. There's no way to counter balance.

Why? It's not because there are less people know the truth. In real world it's not a clear cut model that information can be passed back and forth independently between a yeller and audience. The misinformation exists because there are eager misinformation consumers. There are a very large portion of people need the yelling of "FIRE" and hence there are more "FIRE" yellers. This is another discrepancy between your model and real world.

There's a Godel/Strange loop issue that the AI can fake the proof of authorship so on ans so forth. You need a higher order proof....

I have an assumption on machines that might be different from yours which is quite likely based on our knowledge of current life:

We have a biological brain that has a limit on the number of neurons while "machine" has no limit on scalability. They can discover a better way to achieve consensus. One might be exchange "ego" which is impossible for humans. We already know "put your self in others shoes" in just literal means. Even that is not close to exchange "ego".

Do we limit "Beyond Human" to only carbon based life or existing forms of life? If not we can image why we need democracy.

The individual ego of carbon based life are not easy to reach consensus. That caused a lot of (un)necessary conflicts. There's no such problem in a higher level civilization if the "ego" is quite different one then our "ego" from nature evolution of our current environment, then the democracy is not necessary or, maybe it's already implicitly exist.

This is a speculation on "Beyond Humans" upwards

Here's a theory: The hyper-connected modern society create a new ecosystem that our ancient brains are easily affected by media , disinformation, marketing strategy, manipulation supported by big data etc. In the ecosystem the more electable candidates happened to be good actors that are very good at acting , and deception not only to the public but also to themselves.

Dishonest is a feature for having a better odds to win the elections in modern time. Not a bug. Statistically people get more dishonest politicians who are very good at being elected. It happened to accompanied with other traits. Dishonest is one of them.

Another one , a more dangerous one then dishonest, is that they cause more conflicts and wars by inspiring "good" people fighting against "evil" with illusions that they stand in a high moral ground. The victims of this feature are in none-western countries. So the perceived impacts are less then dishonest.

If the theory is true, then complaining about individual politicians doesn't work. The root cause of the problem which is reflected in statistics would be ignored.

The brainwashed cannot know they are brainwashed. So they feeling might be in the other way: They know the truth and you are brainwashed.

I bet you and many HNer's won't be able to understand what I said. There is another saying: The new version of Nazi will be reincarnated as anti-Nazi which might or might not be true.

Human has nature cognitive defects caused by the evolution not being able to catch up the pace of changing society. It causes conflicts, war and even self destruction.

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Human has nature cognitive defects caused by not being able to catch up the pace of evolution.

Yes. The same.

Any body predicted and described the nature of the event as what we know with hindsight is already amazing. Here's another example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_otSD3LYCA

I'm a little surprise that this is even a news. The amount is toot small, not proportional though.

The invasion of Russia put China in a dilemma that China can not condemn Russia but on the other hand it does not support the invasion. There are a few reasons:

1.Ukraine has a very friendly relation with China . Not only this government but also earlier ones before the war (Now it might be different). Probably because Ukraine is not ideological. It's only hostile to Russia but not China as it's a "Regime". As a comparison there's another democratic country did the other way

2.The invasion is against China's historic position in UN so not condemning Russia is already a embarrassment.

3.The invasion is against China's interest.

Just a some facts: * The trade and exchange of student between 2 countries are quite significant. * The first negotiation between Russia and Ukraine was after a online meeting between Xi and Putin, along with phone call between Foreign ministers of China and Ukraine. There's a speculation but as history shows China like to do things quietly because It's often a more effective way.

It's more than that. There are other impact:

* There are a lot of Indians openly support Putin. I guess there is an excuse to justify the invasion because Russia is not the first one doing that.

* Inside China there are a lot of debate. Russians invasion obviously breaks the international law. But if US did the same thing in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria ...(Let's not debate if US conducted good invasion to avoid to going to rabbit hole), also indirectly caused humanity disaster and refugees, why put Russia in a different standard?

Not making judgement of which is correct or wrong, just saying it's difficult to convince certain population if different standards were applied.

I think somehow it's based on the idea of "give more opportunities to the weak" which seems more humane.

It's not the policy only in the State. Believe or not, there's a similar policy in China that if a student is ethnic minority then s/he can get extra scores on the university entry exam named GaoKao which is equivalent to SAT. To take advantage of the preferential treatment, there are quite some fake "minority" students who might have some blood of ethnic minorities. The favorable treatment is not limited to GaoKao.

Personally I'm not totally against the policy in general. It's true that weak groups need to be taken care of. But there are many problems:

1.It doesn't reflect the real academic capability for the students who got extra scores. Eventually some of them can not catch up the pace of normal courses.

2.It created another stereo type and bias towards those students. The are considered to be less competent but actually some of them are excellent.

3.There's no social problem like eastern Asia countries that the minorities are very small group. No body complain. In US it's a totally different situation that could cause tension.

Here's the bio of the prisoner: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhi_Bingyi

Just a coincidence that I watched a video today that claimed NYT implied a Youtube vlogger must be paid by CPP. Here's his response https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvvj_3QMGAM&t=234s

I would not say NYT publishes propaganda. They just truly believe their own opinion based on some ideology framework but confused their opinions with solid facts. So they see anything not align with their belief as a propaganda. In other words they seem to be against propaganda.

It's a meta-dishonest which is worse than dishonest which is a form of honest dishonest because many people trust meta-dishonest journalist. There are a lot of such kind of MSM journalists. Don Lemon for example.

It shows the effectiveness of massive weapons of deception, and cognitive defects of modern human. Most people know the ground truth just stay away of the argument. Most time I do the same thing but not this time.

You sounds like a paid endorsement sponsored by CIA. You were born and lived there for 30 years? I was born and lived there 30 years then live in Western democracy with freedom along with human rights. I clearly know where the CPP hater's delusion come from

Let's go deeper. Not many people know why human invented the concept of evil.

Most animals especially mammals evolved by the arm race between the predators and the preys to perfect their power,agility and intelligence. The algorithm is called GAN. There are few extreme instances that GAN between predators and preys is not enough. Human is among the few primates that often kill their own species. Competition and cooperation are 2 parts of evolution. The extreme competition is war among human tribes. We have the nature of fighting and killing other human even the society become civilized.

The concept of "evil" emerged as a reason to justify the killing of our same species. You can get that from a lot of Hollywood movies. There's a spiritual need for evil to exist.

That's why NATO can bomb the oppressive regimes all over the world everywhere. Because they are collectively supported by the people of NATO countries. When something's wrong they collectively blame wrong information. What I mean is: "Weapons of Massive Destruction was caused by intelligence failure" is a bigger lie than WMD itself. It's also cannot be blamed on a few politicians who are democratically elected by people. The real reason is there was a spiritual need for evil so the people were easily fooled.

Even today after millions of people's life were ruined and there are massive waves of immigration people in NATO countries still don't connect the cause end effects, never realize that it was their own arrogant belief that they own democracy and human rights, along with they have superior weapons to liberate the people from oppressive regimes, cause the chaos world today.

Will they wake up? not likely. The retreat from Afghanistan was because of running out of resource but not because realize it was fundamentally wrong.

I think your interpretation is quite simplified. Yes there is some "element of patriotism" but it's enhanced by something else. Let me explain.

homo sapiens are born to have defects that their brains can not differentiate model of their neural network and data (i.e. fact). The people from China have more data or ground facts compare to the Westerners who get all the information from media. There's a quite big discrepancy (There are some reasons but beyond the scope). What happened quite often is their perception of unfairness. More specific: The western media lied in a very tricky way so almost the whole western are brainwashed. Please note: that's somehow popular perceptions.

But the perception is also mixed and dynamic.

For the dynamic part: Today's popular perception was not popular 15 or 20 years ago. The perception has been changing gradually because the neural networks are fed with new data so the weights are changing and models i.e. opinions are changing. Especially young generation who have better neural plasticity.

For the mixed part: There are quite portion of anti CPP opinions. You can easily find many anti CPP people from China. Some are quite extreme. You can say it's somehow polarized. Even within China the portion of anti CPP is quite sizable.

Not the ivermectin itself but CNN lied about the nature of the issue earlier, and when Joe Rogan point out the CNN's dishonest, Don Lemon distort the nature of their first lie (Note: this time is not the nature of the ivermectin issue) to make the first lie looks not like a lie by cherry picking the conversation and evade the key points of CNN the first lie.

Yes it's quite common. In general there's a term called intelligent idiot. I learn that from Nassim Taleb. My understanding is there are a lot of people look smarter than they are. I noticed a lot of the phenomenon since then.

My theory is there are some fundamental cognition defects in our sapiens' brain which was evolved from "small data" environment (compare to today's bid data environment) so the biochemical reactions inside our brain on the conclusions from Bayesian model are not much different from the reactions to the conclusions from witness. That results in many people don't differentiate beliefs(very strong but have never seen the truth) from "solid facts" which is equivalent to the topics that you know very well.

The most common places to observe intelligent idiot are the areas related to ideologies. For example there are tons of politicians showing very strong intelligent signals: articulate and organize their thoughts very well, with solid logical reasoning, while actually talking bullshit which only can be noticed by the people knowing the ground truth.

In technology areas there are less but still some. People are easily confused with strong intelligence signals with the real intelligence.

It's not black and white. Some time real smart people also make the same mistake. Give a couple of examples: Sam Harris, Bret Weinstein , I consider both very smart, rational, evidence based,scientific thinking guys according to the depth of their thinking. However I noticed they have some serious mistakes on their judgements about some matters that they don't know the ground truth. I still highly respect their intelligence but not the same as before. They are not intelligent idiots but just made small mistakes. Meanwhile I think I might have the same problems that I don't know since they are smarter than me and still make mistakes.

Here in HN with a high density of smart people, there are tons of chances to observe intelligent idiots. Just check those non-technology related hot topics.

A lot of things are changing during evolution. For example the genes that were beneficial to human in ancient time give high diabetes risk in modern society.

As to cooperation and competition, war is part of evolution that leads to the formation of modern human. But with invention of nuclear weapon the original rules that benefit to whole specie (but not individuals) are not applied any more. So Chomsky's view might just happened to match a modified better pattern then the politically incorrect but factually correct "fundamentally unjust universe" view that I partially agree with

Chinese government even get benefit from FLG in such a way that FLG create a lot oversea Chinese support CPP. Maybe due to FLG members zest behavior.

I don't believe CPP intentionally doing anything manipulating FLG that but there are some conspiracy theory about controlled opposition.

At least there's a very good strategy that attack a political opponent in a very bad way, for example smear in very stupid lies, can actually give the opponent a boost. I haven't seen any real sample of a politician using this strategy yet.

He is much better than average dissidents who are usually worse on integrity. It's a very mysterious phenomenon that the dissidents, whether inside China or overseas, almost all happened to have integrity issues. A lot of them including a few famous dissednets, are quite abnormal. There's an exception named ZHANG heci who keeps his integrity but has been often attacked by his fellows.

It's also very interesting that western journalists have been hiding the integrity issues related to Chinese dissidents by portraying them as heroes until last election that a lot Chinese dissidents involved in US domestic politics. WSJ is one example.

Western public are not aware of this wired issue because most of them don't read Chinese. For those who read Chinese, here's a site that exists for almost 20 years.

http://www.duping.net/XHC/list.php?bbs=11

It's very good for homo sapien research which is not available very often. Need some patience to understand though.

There are many reasons why the mistakes happened again and again and can not be fixed. Mainly human cognition defects that confuse beliefs driven by spiritual satisfaction with solid facts. The deep root cause can not be addressed so they will make the same mistake again.

If somebody want give some advice that can prevent the next 2-trillion dollar mistake here in HN what will happen? The advice will be down voted heavily and maybe it will been seen as a bot from repressive regime. So most of people know the ground truth but also understand this collective bias choose keep silent.

In machine learning the trainer want to select the data from different sources to avoid over fitting. In real world there's no role acting as a god to feed different types of data. The human brain train their own neural networks. The consequence is people select the data that reinforce their existing belief because of impact from million of years evolution, even ignore the facts that can not add up. (Does any body suspect something wrong with all our perception due Taliban take control of power so quickly, I ask HNers think about it for intellectual challenge, not about or beyond politics )

Most of the ID verification systems use "What you know"(PIN or password), "What you have"(ID Card or Phone),"Who you are"(biometrics, i.e. finger print hash), using 1 factor or combination of 2 factors. For verification, storing hash on server is good enough.

If we use safely stored finger print hash in ID cards/Passports/Phones (Iris is better but expensive), the stolen IDs from server have less value to hackers. ICAO standard already includes secure storage of the biometrics data long time ago but not many countries implement yet. Finger print sensor is widely adopted in mobile phones. Anyway the technology exists. Maybe some identity theft incidents will push the government and the industry to implement the solutions

Maybe "activists" who have very strong ideological beliefs but unknowingly present their preach as fact-based reports in a very tricky way that looks very objective. The public are misled to believe their distorted conclusions.

I've seen a lot of them. On some topics especially when audience don't have access to the ground truth, they(zesty activists disguised as objective journalists) are majority. This lead to a big gap between the perceptions on the same topic among different groups of audience and each group consider the other one are brainwashed.

The difference between activists and advertisers is: the later are knowingly try to sell something while the former thought they are telling truth which make the hidden activists more deceptive.