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I mean both fake, added and natural. My family does not have any sweet fruits, for example. I myself am pure carnivore but my children do have broccoli and cauliflower.

You’re correct that Krebs cycle is involved but it’s a cycle so the inputs do not have to be solely carbohydrates.

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I admit I’m happy to see this but I really wish we could come up with some research methodology that shows causation. This “linked to” thing is pretty hard to use as evidence to use in discussions with real humans.

For context, my family is entirely sucrose and fructose free and do not have any artificial sweeteners and my extended family finds this very very ridiculous and even harmful for toddlers.

As a teenager I remember vividly being jealous of all of the Bible characters who directly saw miracles. I used to complain to my extremely religious family about how they didn’t need the faith that they’re demanding of me.

I assume there are similarities for many other religious backgrounds and texts. I find this a current inconsistency in expectations around current humans and the old and venerated prophets. I’m still a bit that we’re being asked more than those role models.

The Complete Guide to Fasting by Jason Fung

Life in the Fasting Lane by Eve Meyer

Ah the memories and nostalgia of seeing this comment are immense! I miss the good ol' days of the pre tech giant internet. I used to go to the in person NYC charity events and it was an awesome community.

:wave: other goon, hope you and all are well.

I totally agree with you and I was also worried about uncouth behavior. That said, and not to undercut the smartness here, I have memories of this being the main mechanism to authenticate third party services to the SomethingAwful forums.

I have vague memories of thinking through how scraping could be used for much easier global authentication and then quickly how that was probably a dumb idea.

> The rest (who can afford to save for retirement) probably have a 401(K) with a small menu of target date funds

If by have, you mean use, my own anecdata is quite the opposite. Everyone I know that isn’t in tech/software, is not contributing to their retirement plans that are offered. Maybe they “have” them with a 0 balance.

As much as my brain would like to agree with you and find the black and white more calming of a world to live in, at least for one of these examples I’ve found it untrue in a practical sense.

I’m now 5 years from any sucrose or fructose and I’m getting pretty close to totally zero carbohydrate. I’ve tried dozens of times over decades to “eat less sugar”. Until I learned about how eating fat will help satiate me (not saying it’ll work for everyone but it worked for me), I was unable to successfully eat less or no sugar.

I feel this way for the safety of all GRAS[1] foods.

There's never actually been any study on the safety of most of the things that we eat. Particularly, for me, I wonder if sucrose would come up a-ok or end up on the cutting room floor of foods.

[1] https://www.fda.gov/food/food-ingredients-packaging/generall...

In case it makes you feel better, either from misery-loves-company or from the similar-situation-on-other-side perspective, I feel very similar to you in terms of social isolation and I'm almost entirely carnivore with basically 0 plant consumption.

Sadly I think part of this is human nature. Doing anything so different from status-quo-of-your-social-circle is very very very isolating. Don't get me started on trying to plant flowers instead of a lawn. :D

Yeah that makes sense. I always explain and try my best to give them some amount of time to agree to it without physical force. As they grow older, I expect this to become less necessary and for them to know that I have no actual _desire_ to hurt them at all.

I want them to do this similar analysis on any shows of force, even not for particular anger filled situations.

For example, I have triplets, and sometimes the only way to accomplish what’s necessary at the local maximum of time and other infants benefit and parental benefit is to physically force a squirming baby into the diaper changing table. Is this along the same lines as spanking? Is there any mitigation of those behavior impacts by explaining why I’m physically forcing something?

As always with parenting, lots of questions and basically no answers.

Ketosis is the typical and googleable word for this state, but yes.

I am not a doctor but I would encourage any human being on earth to go through carbohydrate withdrawal and 6 months of abstinence

Hahaha, I’ve done that many times and gotten ridiculed so please be kind.

Main staples: Eggs Carbohydrate free Bacon Butter Salt

Other foods Ground beef Steak Chicken thighs Green peppers, broccoli and cauliflower rarely

Morbidly obese with all of the sides. Doctors literally telling me that it wasn’t a good idea to have children because I wouldn’t see them for very long.

After was amazing. Buying clothes in physical stores. All lipid planes and glucose panels normal. My whole medical world switched around.

At 31, I completely cut sucrose, lactose and almost all carbohydrates out of my life.

Took someone telling me to think of carbohydrates like heroin before I realized that the strong desire I have not to become painted as a drug addict could be reframed as a reason for me to give up carbohydrate consumption

My burb school rules are that they’ll only bus you if you are outside of 4 miles of the school as the crow flies. Even if there’s no possible way to walk there, my kids are stuck and I have no option but to drive them.

:-) my approach is just to not eat any sugar or starch but definitely agree with mechanism.

Yup this is me

Yeah, extreme no sugar and no carb, almost pure carnivore. Haven’t had a bit of tooth decay since.

Hah I felt this same way when I discovered you can change your diet to basically completely remove all dental problems. I doubt society can possible change quickly enough for us to see the downfall of the profession.

I’m 4 years into carbohydrate recovery and strict keto. I expect to live the rest of my life this way. I have not experienced brain fog after my first few weeks of withdrawal.

I wouldn’t think of it that way! Think about the control you have now.

My mother was so into sugar and had other medical issues and had all her teeth pulled and dentures by 35. I was born into an extremely high insulin environment and was morbidly obese by 8.

I just hit my 4 year anniversary of carbohydrate recovery and I’ve made super significant change in my weight, cholesterol, A1C and tons of other unmeasurables.

I have a slow burn substack newsletter for the morbidly obese who are contemplating carbohydrate recovery. It’s never going to make any money and I don’t spend as much time on it as I want to but I’m glad I put it out there.

https://hopeforthemorbidlyobese.substack.com/p/can-you-reall...

Continual Medical Education (CMEs) are definitely during normal work days. They're also often at fancy destinations with hotels and mai tais. My father and other family have done them for years. They never had to take vacation days.

Interesting! Obviously I don't have research for this in either direction. I know a lot of people that take daily multivitamins that would still consider themselves to have "cravings".

:-) wow this is awesome. I'm assuming this is a pastebin because the actual list is secret information?

Ah ok, so from that perspective there _could_ be someone for which heroin is not addictive. That makes sense, although I don't think that this is the definition that most people use.

I've often wondered if the word "addiction" is formally defined enough to have discussions like this from some common ground.

Does anyone know? There seem to be many different definitions depending on where I google.

Reading this article, I find it hard not to focus solely on my own belief that all carbohydrates, and sucrose/fructose/glucose in particular are extremely addictive. This article even compares, using dopamine, smoking with "temptation for food." I'm fairly sure that anytime someone is "tempted for food", that there are carbohydrates involved, but obviously it's hard to know without that original formal definition.

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