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those rags are red my friends are blue fuck genocide and if you don't speak fuck you

> Of course, the terrible things I heard from the Nuremberg Trials, about the six million Jews and the people from other races who were killed, were facts that shocked me deeply. But I wasn't able to see the connection with my own past. I was satisfied that I wasn't personally to blame and that I hadn't known about those things. I wasn't aware of the extent. But one day I went past the memorial plaque which had been put up for Sophie Scholl in Franz Josef Strasse, and I saw that she was born the same year as me, and she was executed the same year I started working for Hitler. And at that moment I actually sensed that it was no excuse to be young, and that it would have been possible to find things out.

-- Traudl Junge

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johnnyworker··on OpenVoice: Versatile Instant Voice Cloning
> But we live in a concrete society, [and] with concrete social and historical circumstances and political realities in this society, it is perfectly obvious that when something like a computer is invented, then it is going to be adopted will be for military purposes. It follows from the concrete realities in which we live, it does not follow from pure logic. But we're not living in an abstract society, we're living in the society in which we in fact live.

> If you look at the enormous fruits of human genius that mankind has developed in the last 50 years, atomic energy and rocketry and flying to the moon and coherent light, and it goes on and on and on -- and then it turns out that every one of these triumphs is used primarily in military terms. So it is not reasonable for a scientist or technologist to insist that he or she does not know -- or cannot know -- how it is going to be used.

-- Joseph Weizenbaum

That is not fear. That is being serious and unflinching, if anything.

> We can all wring our hands in fear over what the new technology might do, or we can solve the problems we care about.

I'm doing neither. I said it's a valid question, with which you agree. The rest is a straw man apropos nothing anyone actually said, here, and wringing your hands about it. It's a way bigger waste of time than asking a simple question and let those who want to answer that, and let those who don't want answer it simply don't answer it, instead of making up this "issue" with the question itself.

> Authenticity was hard before this, and it'll be hard after.

So "nothing changes", but technology is super important? You could say the same about, say, curing cancer. People will live for a while and then die, with or without it. Why since it makes no difference, what'd be the problem with "fearing" it?

johnnyworker··on We Could Fix Everything, We Just Don't
> And in a few months, those combatants and military infrastructure will be destroyed and not much of a threat.

Along with everything else, constituting a bigger crime than this is claimed to be an attempt to prevent.

https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/17317722618482647...

https://www.ipcinfo.org/ipcinfo-website/alerts-archive/issue...

https://twitter.com/jocelynhurndall/status/17330649265606495...

johnnyworker··on Maersk ship hit by missile in the Red Sea
For you it seems to be all about having a nice site. For me it's about having a nice world in which people can enjoy intellectual curiosity without being monstrously guilty for it.

> Between 8 December 2023 and 7 February 2024, the entire population in the Gaza Strip (about 2.2 million people) is classified in IPC Phase 3 or above (Crisis or worse). This is the highest share of people facing high levels of acute food insecurity that the IPC initiative has ever classified for any given area or country.

This is right now. And this is HN right now: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38833350

Given how dedicated large sectors of the US tech industry are to silencing discussion, I can only say, I'll think about it. I might prefer to take my leave from this site than participating in it, to preserve something more valuable, more fundamental, while you explore this local optimum of discussion within a framework of normalizing genocide and sophistry with generous helpings of plausible deniability.

johnnyworker··on I Vote on Plagiarism Cases at Harvard College. Gay's Getting Off Easy
Excuse what? I have no idea what you're even asking here.
johnnyworker··on OpenVoice: Versatile Instant Voice Cloning
> Why does it need a practical reason?

To at least give us something as a consolation for all the havoc all sorts of deep fakes will wreak on societies. It's like asking what a knife can be used for other than murder. It's a valid question.

johnnyworker··on Stuff we figured out about AI in 2023
We learned a bit about LLM, a lot about humans and their desire to move their already outsourced thinking from mediocre humans to mediocre software -- and exactly nothing about AI, because AI doesn't exist.
johnnyworker··on I Vote on Plagiarism Cases at Harvard College. Gay's Getting Off Easy
In other words, no.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intifada

Also, if you don't sit on someone's neck, you don't have to worry about being shaken off. If you don't benefit from or justify oppression, you have nothing to fear from the uprising against it.

It's when you want to eat the cake and still have it when things get "complex", like posting walls of text that amount to "no, I don't" in context.

johnnyworker··on Maersk ship hit by missile in the Red Sea
> However, targeted bombing (which is what israel claims to be doing)

That claim does not hold water.

https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/17317722618482647...

And in the same thread here, an Israeli tells me that unfortunately there is no other way than reduce Gaza to rubble. But it's also laser-precise targetting killings.

Enough.

Pretending it couldn't be known was disproven by those who called it out, any further playing for time I will not take part in. Let's examine the evidence when people are on fucking trial where they belong.

johnnyworker··on Maersk ship hit by missile in the Red Sea
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johnnyworker··on Maersk ship hit by missile in the Red Sea
Replace "dying" by "murdered". Einstein called killing under the cloak of war murder anyway, and that wasn't even talking about bombing one of the most densely populated areas with over 1M minors in it. If you need more arguments to stand up, you will never stand up. The White Rose also talked about cloaking cowardice under the cloak of wisdom. It's not a tragedy, it's a crime, it has perpetrators and supporters who are mighty insolent and hoping to get away with it.
johnnyworker··on Maersk ship hit by missile in the Red Sea
I'm sorry, but that's like looking for direct orders by Hitler before you can be really sure there's a problem.
johnnyworker··on Maersk ship hit by missile in the Red Sea
Yes, and? People die naturally, they always eventually do. Does that make murder a nop?
johnnyworker··on Maersk ship hit by missile in the Red Sea
How is displaying a national group elsewhere not destroying it as a national group? That's why I say genocide. And at best you could say they don't care if the Palestinians live or die as long as they go away, by bombs, starvation or fleeing, and then can take the land.

https://twitter.com/GLZRadio/status/1741347524693127398

> "If we act strategically correctly, there will be immigration and we will live in the Gaza Strip. We will not allow a situation where 2 million people live there. If there are 100-200 thousand Arabs in Gaza, all the talk is about the day after will be different. They want to leave, they have been living in the ghetto for 75 years and are in need"

Admitting Gaza is a ghetto and the desire to ethnically cleanse it in one fell swoop.

> Raz Segal, the program director of genocide studies at Stockton University, concretely says it is a “textbook case of genocide.” Segal believes that Israeli forces are completing three genocidal acts, including, “killing, causing serious bodily harm, and measures calculated to bring about the destruction of the group.” He points to the mass levels of destruction and total siege of basic necessities—like water, food, fuel, and medical supplies—as evidence.

-- https://time.com/6334409/is-whats-happening-gaza-genocide-ex...

So, at the very least, some of the people literally studying genocide are agreeing it is genocide. And many people who deny it is have political motivations. So fuck their nuance. If people can commit genocide or rub shoulders with people who do, they'll survive being called genocidal. It's not about their feelings or the face they think they can save, it's about the people who are getting murdered and driven away by colonialists.

johnnyworker··on Maersk ship hit by missile in the Red Sea
https://twitter.com/GLZRadio/status/1741347524693127398

> "If we act strategically correctly, there will be immigration and we will live in the Gaza Strip. We will not allow a situation where 2 million people live there. If there are 100-200 thousand Arabs in Gaza, all the talk is about the day after will be different. They want to leave, they have been living in the ghetto for 75 years and are in need"

"Fighting terrorism", good one. You're rather using both terrorism and the Holocaust to engage in more of the same, on behalf of religious fanatics not one bit better than islamists.

johnnyworker··on Maersk ship hit by missile in the Red Sea
> If Mexico had invaded the US and killed a thousand citizens, it would be completely legitimate to ask how the US would make sure this didn't happen again.

> I wouldn't call them Nazis, that's going too far - but some of them are almost as bad, and a few have the rhetoric of Nazis, no question.

I would also call Hamas or other religious fanatics who murder "Nazis" in that sense. It's a very sloppy, but also deliberate use of the word. The question to me aren't the nuances, the differences, but the similarities.

> If Mexico had invaded the US and killed a thousand citizens, it would be completely legitimate to ask how the US would make sure this didn't happen again.

Not by committing an even bigger atrocity. Because if 1000 Israelis warrant murdering 10000 Palestinians, that means that in turn warrants murdering 100000 Israelis, then 1 million Palestinians, then all of Israel, then random pogroms against Muslims all over the world, then against Jews, until we're out of people to murder to prevent murder.

And "Gaza" didn't invade Israel. Hamas terrorists did.

How about looking into how one of the most hawkishly watched, tiniest strip of border in the whole world could be nilly-willy breached like that? I don't mean this as victim blaming, but you always first look at the things you do control.

> I am 100% certain that it will happen again if Israel does nothing.

And reducing Gaza to rubble and creating a unfathomable humanitarian crisis is going to lessen resentment? Good plan. How about dismantling the settlements? But can't give in to terrorists, can you, and do the thing you should have been doing in the first place if you had any decency. That's impossible to ask of Israelis. Instead, we just ask people in Gaza to die, quietly. Because "they started it" and "we are having our hand forced every step of the way".

> If you're starting out from the assumption that of course the IDF wants to destroy civilian buildings, OK, nothing I can do to change your mind.

I started with no assumption either way. That's what I have seen, in enough permutations.

> It is very similar in many ways to other operations carried out by e.g. the US against ISIS

Blowing up a supreme court building after posing for selfies in it? Nah.

> I have to live this. I'm the one who lives knowing that people all around the world are convinced my country is committing genocide

Have to live what? An expansionist policy rather than respecting international law? No, that's a choice. I mean not your personal choice, but since you keep talking about $country this and $country that... Israel didn't have to go down this path, and it doesn't have to continue down it.

johnnyworker··on Maersk ship hit by missile in the Red Sea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

> acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group

When they all live in refugees in other countries, they are destroyed as a national group. With this level of hair splitting you might as well say it's not genocide as long as even one member of the group survives, why not go there, too.

johnnyworker··on Maersk ship hit by missile in the Red Sea
> Israel has the means to kill far more people, if it wanted to - it just doesn't.

That you say this and still come on to me with that "I share your values" stuff is just gold.

johnnyworker··on Maersk ship hit by missile in the Red Sea
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johnnyworker··on Maersk ship hit by missile in the Red Sea
> They have a border with Egypt. Why won't Egypt let them leave?

"Leave" as in "ethnically cleanse themselves, never to return"? So what's all this song and dance about pretending to not be on board with genocide about?

> There was never a blockade because Israel never surrounded Gaza.

Ahuh.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-counted-calorie-require...

> Israel maintained the blockade was necessary to weaken Hamas, an armed, Iranian-backed group committed to Israel’s destruction.

> But critics say the blockade constituted collective punishment against Gaza’s more than 1.5 million people in its ultimately failed effort to shake Hamas’ hold on the territory. An American diplomatic cable revealed by WikiLeaks last year quoted Israeli diplomats as saying they wanted to “keep Gaza’s economy on the brink of collapse.”

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> Similar to the calculation of the calorie needs, Israel also used baffling secret guidelines to differentiate between humanitarian necessities and nonessential luxuries. The result was that military bureaucrats enforcing the blockade allowed frozen salmon and low-fat yogurt into the Hamas-ruled territory, but not cilantro or instant coffee.

There never was a blockade. There is no genocide. Just keep handwaving and it will all go away.

johnnyworker··on Maersk ship hit by missile in the Red Sea
That's showing one instance of Hamas stealing food. And you just go "so obviously, the whole situation is their fault case closed who cares". You're not even trying to hide it.
johnnyworker··on Maersk ship hit by missile in the Red Sea
> I don't want to go into the "who's to blame because" arguments since to do this you need to pick a cut-off date

No, why would you have to? As I said:

> Everyone is responsible for what they do

There is no giant blob called "war" and you now weigh the responsibility of one of two "sides" for that blob. That is precisely my point. The crimes of Hamas do not take one iota away from the crimes of Israel, and vice versa. They each commit them against innocents.

Our opinion as "judges" or "referees" is not so relevant as what we are directly or indirectly responsible for, and what we aren't. Hamas has nothing to do with me, the US and Israel use me, so I need to speak out in clear terms or be responsible.

It's not a complex situation where both sides are kinda bad and we just can't figure out who gets the blame and who gets to get away scot-free. Israel is committing genocide. Hamas is a terrorist organization, that didn't change, and people who support it should be cut off. The same with the right-wing extremists in the Israeli government and those supporting the genocide committed by them. It's just a principle, applied to all comers without respecting the person. As it should be.

johnnyworker··on Maersk ship hit by missile in the Red Sea
No, why would it be. But a hypothetical citizen of a nation supporting Israel in their current undertaking not caring that a terrorist attack was committed with the stated intent of creating pressure to stop an on-going genocide, as if it has nothing to do with them, is looking the other way. An article leaving out that context is too. Given that what actually happened was "a flash and no injuries" -- so, nothing -- it seems outright weird to not include that.
johnnyworker··on Maersk ship hit by missile in the Red Sea
As many as needed? What???

https://www.ipcinfo.org/ipcinfo-website/alerts-archive/issue...

> Between 8 December 2023 and 7 February 2024, the entire population in the Gaza Strip (about 2.2 million people) is classified in IPC Phase 3 or above (Crisis or worse). This is the highest share of people facing high levels of acute food insecurity that the IPC initiative has ever classified for any given area or country

johnnyworker··on Maersk ship hit by missile in the Red Sea
Looking the other way is looking the other way. Everybody does that with what they're entrusted with, or doesn't.

And when a software build fails because of some very minor thing everything depends on, and someone quips "for want of a nail..." would you then say they "compared shitlib version 0.53 with a physical nail made out of iron for a horse shoe"? What's more, things that are the exact same are the only things that cannot be compared. You can compared an apple to an orange, or another apple, but not itself. It amazes me how often people in the internet draw this card.

johnnyworker··on Maersk ship hit by missile in the Red Sea
> I can’t really blame them for trying. You can be sure that the other side of the conflict is also not impartial.

Oh, I can for the both of us, and I do. Everyone is responsible for what they do, or tacitly consent to. War is not something that just "is" like rain or snow, it's specific actions of people specific people.

And when you say "other side of the conflict" does that include the 1+ million of children, or are they just not relevant at all here? Because as Bill Hicks said, a war is when two armies fight. This is genocide, reducing Gaza to rubble, taking smug selfies in homes and mosques all along the way.

Yes, Hamas is no better. That is, if they had the means, they wouldn't be. But Hamas is Hamas; not Gaza, not the West Bank. And Hamas isn't using police force in Western Democracies to prohibit demonstrations, it doesn't have vast media support to both silence discussion of what is going on and smear those who still have a conscience.

https://www.ipcinfo.org/ipcinfo-website/alerts-archive/issue...

> Between 8 December 2023 and 7 February 2024, the entire population in the Gaza Strip (about 2.2 million people) is classified in IPC Phase 3 or above (Crisis or worse). This is the highest share of people facing high levels of acute food insecurity that the IPC initiative has ever classified for any given area or country.

We don't even hear about this. The little facts that are brought up are all all couched between bringing up Hamas 50 times. No, we're expected to be content, admiring and grateful even, when Israel stops bombing little kids in a barrel -- and that the genocide will, predictably, continue without bombs via the inflicted wounds will barely get a mention, just like nobody really cared the last few decades.

But there was a "flash" and no injuries on board of some ship, oh noes.

Someone put it very well on this site 4 years ago:

> And it is not a state of things, it is a process. It is going on now, it inches a bit further every day and every year.

> You say you don't have an opinion, but in fact you repeat exactly the things that those who don't want this process to stop would like to hear from you: that the question has two sides, that it's impossible to say who's right or wrong, that there are many opinions. It's a form of denialism (let's hear the other side, some say this but some say that, etc.).

-- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22649104

But even more importantly IMO, even assuming "both sides are exactly equal" -- and they're not -- then my primary concern would still be what I am responsible for, and what the corporations and governments I am directly or indirectly supporting are doing. Hamas is on the polar opposite of that, they don't brag about sharing my values or any of the sort. You might even say it's more or less expected for islamist terrorists to behave like islamist terrorists. Doesn't make it okay, it's something I stand against; but getting upset at it is a weird sort of performance IMO. However, a nation that pink-washes genocide says "hi fellow human rights enjoyer" to me and gives me all that horse crap about even knowing what a nation recognizing human rights would look like, much less being one, they need to either a.) stop what they're doing b.) or be told in no uncertain terms they are deluding themselves.

The world is full of murderers and genocidal racist assholes. It's the actually having one hand in my pocket and the other oscillating between rubbing my shoulder and covering my mouth that makes this something I am obliged to respond to, and have to respond to mercilessly. I felt the exact same way about the war of aggression in Iraq. To use me in that way for something I would never do, something so abominable, is not something I stand for or forgive.

johnnyworker··on Maersk ship hit by missile in the Red Sea
Wars aren't a means to achieve resources, but to destroy them and waste them. In the long term, that is.

> War is a way of shattering to pieces, or pouring into the stratosphere, or sinking in the depths of the sea, materials which might otherwise be used to make the masses too comfortable, and hence, in the long run, too intelligent.

-- George Orwell

And with many conflicts, I'd say it's about one class of war mongers and war profiteers distributed onto both sides, and one class of average people -- and the average person doesn't want war period, they have to be coaxed into it with great effort -- distributed onto both sides. Then the lunatics on each side use the lunatics on the other side as a reason to tighten their grip over their own population, and for sending their "own" people off to become murderers and/or die. Then they build statues for themselves.

Yeah, that's a simplification, and snarky. But it sure is closer to the truth than the narrative of countries struggling as against each other, where the politicians, generals, grunts and civilians of one nation are on one side, and the politicians, generals, grunts and civilians of the other nation on the other.

> If I have one message to give to the secular American people, it's that the world is not divided into countries. The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk together and we understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

-- Marjane Satrapi

Yeah, the Iranian and the US government aren't "the same". But I trust the point is obvious anyway.

> [Q: Isn't there a certain calculus that someone who is sitting in the shoes of a Condoleezza Rice can make, that they're responsible for the best outcome for American citizens, and there's an upside of going into Iraq which is we get one of the greatest material possessions in world's history, and there're downsides which are: we upset the international community, and maybe there's more terrorism. Couldn't you envision a calculus where they say, sure, that's the reason, and it's a good reason, let's do it. What's the flaw in the calculus?]

> Oh, I think that's exactly their calculus. But then we ought to just be honest and say, "Look, we're a bunch of Nazis." So fine, let's just drop all the discussion, we save a lot of trees, we can throw out the newspapers and most of the scholarly literature, and just come out, state it straight, and tell the truth: we'll do whatever we want because we think we're gonna gain by it. And incidently, it's not American citizens who'll gain. They don't gain by this. It's narrow sectors of domestic power that the administration is serving with quite unusual dedication...

-- Noam Chomsky, "Why Iraq?" at Harvard University, November 4, 2002

Those "narrow sectors of domestic power" use those under their thumb to against narrow sectors of other power centers, and vice versa. And there was never a "need" for it. Not 100 years ago, not 10000 years ago. War is good for "absolutely nothing". That's why you have all the ceremonies and uniforms and somber faces. It's like royalty that way. Or religion.

If we think adding infinite energy, "infinitely" fast and free computation, "infinite" memory, "free" sensors attached to every pebble in the solar system to the mix will lead to more freedom just like that seems.. unlikely. As in, the parties who right now aren't showing any signs of stopping their consolidation of power, their efforts to atomize and disenfranchise people, when they are still only struggling for limited power, will just... step aside once there is "infinite" power to be had, instead of using it to tighten their grip, and also stab each other in the back and consolidate as much as they can? Why would they? Who would make them? With what?

Instead of removing a "need" for war, which I'd say never existed in the first place, infinite resources could just as well allow for an infinite amount of it. A boot on a human face, forever. Ran out of enemies? Clone some. Ran out of traitors? Entrap some. Think Starship Troopers.

Awkardly translated from the German version back to English via DeepL:

> Suddenly it turns out that what the human imagination has banished for millennia to a realm beyond human competence can actually be created. Hell and purgatory, and even a reflection of their eternal duration, can be constructed by allowing people to die indefinitely using the most modern means of destruction and the art of healing. What these types, of whom there are many more in every big city than we would like to admit, realize when watching these films or reading these reports is that the power of man is greater than they dare to admit, and that hellish fantasies can be realized without the sky falling and the earth opening up.

-- Hannah Arendt, "Origins of Totalitarianism"

johnnyworker··on Brexit has failed for UK, say clear majority of Britons – poll
Countries aren't monoliths though. I know there are great people in the UK, why should I hold the Brexit stupidity against them? We have our own share of shameful stuff.

Brexit made me terribly sad the second I heard of even the suggestion, before it won the vote. Then, when even the people who were against it just shrugged and said "politicians just have to go by the non-binding referendum, or they won't get re-elected", I was furious and frustrated. I spent all my resentment right then and there, screaming into the void. Now, I'd love to see this stupid bullshit get corrected, yeah. No hard feelings, no grudges.

> [..] if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less [..]

-- John Donne

johnnyworker··on Brexit has failed for UK, say clear majority of Britons – poll
To be more precise, roughly half of the population of Gaza is under the age of 15.

Also: https://www.ipcinfo.org/ipcinfo-website/alerts-archive/issue...

> Between 8 December 2023 and 7 February 2024, the entire population in the Gaza Strip (about 2.2 million people) is classified in IPC Phase 3 or above (Crisis or worse). This is the highest share of people facing high levels of acute food insecurity that the IPC initiative has ever classified for any given area or country.

But sure, let's leave it at "they voted for Hamas" -- when "Hamas is using them as shield, so..." doesn't cut it, that is.

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