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jonahss··on Show HN: Trading cards made with e-ink displays
That'd be cool! Talisman is an entertaining game.

I think the reason I was able to buy these e-innk displays so cheap is that they're the exact size of grocery store shelf price tags.

jonahss··on Show HN: Trading cards made with e-ink displays
Agree on the suite of games, just like a deck of cards :)

Ah, the cards have buttons next to them on the base. I figured they could display icons on the card next to each button (each spot on the base has 3 right now). I call it the 'ATM' style UX.

jonahss··on Show HN: Trading cards made with e-ink displays
Thanks!

Yup, you called it. The cards are totally passive. Just the screen and an eeprom memory chip, no battery.

All the compute happens in the base.

Color e-ink way too expensive for now, but if Wizards of the Coast wants to invest 100MM we can make em in color, thinner, and flexible!

jonahss··on Show HN: Trading cards made with e-ink displays
I spent about $5000 over two years. Not bad at all, really. A lot of that was registering an LLC and a Fusion360 license.
jonahss··on Show HN: Trading cards made with e-ink displays
I feel ya.
jonahss··on Show HN: Trading cards made with e-ink displays
I'm trying to target $80 for a "starter set" of the base and 3 cards. I think this is doable at real scale.
jonahss··on Show HN: Trading cards made with e-ink displays
Yup, going for a witchy occult mysticism vibe
jonahss··on Show HN: Trading cards made with e-ink displays
Oh the display is only like $4-6 on Alibaba. After you add the resin and my custom PCB it's like $20 at the low scale I'm purchasing.
jonahss··on Show HN: Trading cards made with e-ink displays
added mailing list signup to the bottom of that post, thanks.
jonahss··on Show HN: Trading cards made with e-ink displays
Oh! I've got a mailing list signup on wyldcard.io !

Should have added that call-to-action to my post; *facepalm

Your idea is kind of like the hologram chess that Ed plays in Cowboy Bebop

jonahss··on Show HN: Trading cards made with e-ink displays
Ah, not at this time, but maybe I should open source em?
jonahss··on Show HN: Trading cards made with e-ink displays
Thanks!

Yeah, it's a weird in-between. I don't think a game publisher would take a risk on it, but neither would silicon valley VCs.

Kickstarter would be my bet too. I was going to put this project down for a little while and start a "real" startup though.....

jonahss··on Show HN: Trading cards made with e-ink displays
oh my gosh, I love it! Thanks!

I'm glad you kept the total card count low, that's a limiting factor because of their price and size.

I'll try it out!

jonahss··on Show HN: Trading cards made with e-ink displays
See my other comment. I wanted to learn rust, but by the end, once I knew it, I wouldn't have chosen rust for a prototype if I started again.

These prototypes are running on a raspberry pi, though I wouldn't want to put them into production like that.

jonahss··on Show HN: Trading cards made with e-ink displays
Thanks!

I knew no Rust at all before starting. Yikes was it frustrating to learn a completely new language. I had to go through the whole rust book, not skipping any basics, in order to get there. I also assigned myself a homework assignment to get used to the concepts. See the other blog post on wyldcard.io/blog

Honestly, by the time I got to the finished prototype, I could have just done the whole thing with Javascript. Although intending to use an SDM32F7 for the finished project, it was really convenient to use a raspberry pi for development. Using VS Code, I could program remotely on the pi from my Mac and iterate really quickly.

the awesome-embedded-rust[1] repo was very helpful.

TBH, embedded rust really feels like it's not ready for hobbysists who aren't embedded experts already.

[1] https://github.com/rust-embedded/awesome-embedded-rust

jonahss··on Show HN: Trading cards made with e-ink displays
Hm, that'd work with the other comment about putting contacts on both sides.

The cards themselves are completely passive and unpowered. Base does everything.

jonahss··on Show HN: Trading cards made with e-ink displays
Bought off Alibaba, I think they're so cheap because they're designed for grocery store shelf price tags.

Good Display GDEW029T5D

jonahss··on Show HN: Trading cards made with e-ink displays
Ooh thanks, I'll check it out!
jonahss··on Show HN: Trading cards made with e-ink displays
I'll totally start a new project once holograms get good and cheap enough ;)
jonahss··on Show HN: Trading cards made with e-ink displays
Thanks! Well, not "shipped" per se. Nobody's got one but me so far :P
jonahss··on Show HN: Trading cards made with e-ink displays
Yes! Going for a mysterious witchy/occult vibe.
jonahss··on Show HN: Trading cards made with e-ink displays
I come from a web dev background, and spent the last 3 years running the cloud and embedded firmware teams for a 3D printer startup. I learned that hardware isn't so hard, once you get past all the mystery. My coworkers gave me tips on which tools to use, and helped me when I got stuck.

The best advice I got was "Read the datasheet"

The biggest step for me was deciding to spend money on experimenting. With a budget, suddenly it was fun to order stuff, buy tools, try things out.

Rust Book was the best for learning Rust.

jonahss··on Show HN: Trading cards made with e-ink displays
Heh heh, that's like phase 4 ;)

I want kids to be able to play at school or at camp, so didn't add any connectivity. Plus I'm trying to stay cheap. But I can imagine adding bluetooth to the base or to your phone or something. Then I can go all "BILLS PC" and let you store your spirits on the cloud, let you load them in and out of cards, etc etc.

Except I don't want to turn it into an online game. Computer games are awesome, I think it's lame to emulate physical cards with a computer, a'la' Hearthstone.

jonahss··on Show HN: Trading cards made with e-ink displays
Yeah! I was going for a Tarot/Occult vibe.

Turning 90 degrees... maybe I could do some magic with magnets.....

jonahss··on Show HN: Trading cards made with e-ink displays
Bought off Alibaba, I think they're so cheap because they're designed for grocery store shelf price tags.

Good Display GDEW029T5D

jonahss··on Show HN: Trading cards made with e-ink displays
Ha! I'm really trying to keep the price down, these are the cheapest screens I could find and they're still ~$4.

If they took off and were produced at scale, we could definitely do color, and make them thinner and flexible as well!

jonahss··on Show HN: Trading cards made with e-ink displays
I so agree! MTG is desperately scraping the bottom of barrel for new mechanics.

That's why I wanted to get this concept out there, to inspire the next thing.

jonahss··on Show HN: Trading cards made with e-ink displays
Ah yeah, originally I wanted the contacts to wrap around the edges of the card, so then you can stack them and address whichever one in the stack you want.

Maybe I should raise the priority on that.

Definitely I'm into the idea of evolving, or breeding cards like pokemon. Powerup or 'combine' would be cool too.

jonahss··on Show HN: Trading cards made with e-ink displays
Yeah, I'm going for an occult/mysticism/witchy vibe.

Magic the Gathering has a monopoly on fantasy, and the cyberpunk genre is played out. Plus I want the inner-workings to be somewhat mysterious.

I had a lot of fun thematically laying out the contacts. For example: Keter is VCC and Malchut is GND

jonahss··on Show HN: Trading cards made with e-ink displays
I'll add that to my list of fictional card games!

I took inspiration from Yu-Gi-Oh, Card Captors, Angelic Layer...

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